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06-17-2019 09:55 AM
ironglow An Important note.. Israel, being the only relatively free and democratic nation in the Mideast, does allow a free press. So this creates a "wedge space" where those who do not necessarily like Israel, can publish freely.

One of the great dangers in a free country, this is not seen in other ME states, such as Saudi Arabia, Oman, Iran, Afghanistan etc., and foreign powers and Israel haters....know how to take full advantage of the freedoms of such free nations.

Haaretz has a very low following in and among Israelis..but enjoys a higher level of readership among foreigners.

This extracted from the Wikipedia article;

The Schocken family were the sole owners of the Haaretz Group until August 2006, when they sold a 25% stake to German publisher M. DuMont Schauberg.[14] The deal was negotiated with the help of the former Israeli ambassador to Germany, Avi Primor.[15] This deal was seen as controversial in Israel as DuMont Schauberg's father, Kurt Neven DuMont, was member of the Nazi party and his publishing house promoted Nazi ideology.[16]
On 12 June 2011, it was announced that Russian-Israeli businessman Leonid Nevzlin had purchased a 20% stake in the Haaretz Group, buying 15% from the family and 5% from M. DuMont Schauberg.[17]


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06-17-2019 08:46 AM
va rifleman stated there had been a precedent during World War II, when Americans targeted their own ships near Japan to create an excuse for hostility".

Hmm. Other then the 1937 Panay attack and Pearl Harbor, I fail to recall any US ship sinking used as a pretext to make war on Japan.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190616...tanker-attacks
06-17-2019 06:46 AM
ironglow Since you often cite Haaretz, perhaps this is a good time to acquaint our posters with Haaretz…

Here is how even the NY Times views Haaretz;

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/o...s-haaretz.html


..And Wikipedia;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaretz

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06-17-2019 03:04 AM
TM7 Here, I'll post the article so you begin discrediting it right away.
TM7
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Trump’s favorite Iran-Obama cash story, still bogus no matter how often he tells it - Iran Nuclear Deal
www.haaretz.com
U.S. President Donald Trump likes to tell a story about the U.S. paying out billions of dollars to Iran as part of the multinational deal freezing its nuclear program and easing sanctions against it. What he doesn’t say is that most of that money was Iran’s to begin with. The rest relates to an old debt the U.S. had with Iran.

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The numbers and some details change in his retelling — dating back to the 2016 campaign — but his bottom line is always the same: The Obama administration was hoodwinked into giving Iran all that money, some of it in a huge and hidden bundle of cash.

A look at what Trump said Tuesday (he repeated it again Thursday in a bizarre interview with "Fox and Friends") and the reality behind it:

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TRUMP: “The Iran deal is a terrible deal. We paid $150 billion. We gave $1.8 billion in cash. That’s actual cash, barrels of cash. It’s insane. It’s ridiculous. It should have never been made. But we will be talking about it.” — remarks before a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron. At a news conference Tuesday, he spoke about “giving them, Iran, $150 billion at one point.”

THE FACTS: There was no $150 billion payout from the U.S. treasury. The money he refers to represents Iranian assets held abroad that were frozen until the deal was reached and Tehran was allowed to access its funds.

The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.

That left people, businesses and governments in each country indebted to partners in the other, and these complex claims took decades to sort out in tribunals and arbitration. For its part, Iran paid settlements of more than $2.5 billion to U.S. citizens and businesses.

The day after the nuclear deal was implemented, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the claim over the 1970s military equipment order, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest. The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane, which gave rise to Trump’s dramatic accounts of money stuffed in barrels or boxes and delivered in the dead of night. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later, not crammed into containers.
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06-17-2019 02:45 AM
TM7 IG.....

I know this cash and 150 billion is one of your favorite hot buttons. But before we go on for twenty posts on the topic let's see what the major news outlet in your country of first choice has to say on the matter - ->

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...ogus-1.6032057

Re: Trump’s favorite Iran-Obama cash story, still bogus no matter how often he tells it - Iran Nuclear Deal - Haaretz.com

Please forward to Donald because untruth is the enemy of God and We the People.
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06-16-2019 11:47 PM
ironglow
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Originally Posted by TM7 View Post
The 150 billion was their money held in sanction. Don't think there was any ransom for aiding our sailors.

But now there's a bigger problem for anyone wishing to make war on Iran. Under the PS-5+1 agreement all their enriched fissionable material was sent to Russia. But since Trump unilaterally cancelled the agreement the Russians sent it all back to Iran.
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Multiple sources say that rnsom was paid in cash and on pallets. Some was in US currency, some foreign currency.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/u...illion-to-iran

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/sh...=145301&page=2

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-doesnt-exist/

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06-16-2019 10:18 PM
TM7 The 150 billion was their money held in sanction. Don't think there was any ransom for aiding our sailors.

But now there's a bigger problem for anyone wishing to make war on Iran. Under the PS-5+1 agreement all their enriched fissionable material was sent to Russia. But since Trump unilaterally cancelled the agreement the Russians sent it all back to Iran.
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06-16-2019 07:50 PM
ironglow
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Good post Bear. It didn't help matters when Obama bowed down and kissed the hand of the Saudi King.
Then jumped in and sent Iran billions of dollars.
I cannot explain the relationship with the Saudis, unless it is a matter of avoiding some fights, by playing one bad guy against another.

Handing the #1 terrorist nation $155,000,000,000 along with paying billions more $$$ in ransom for our sailors, who should have been covered by our superior Naval elements already in the area.... should (IMO) have brought serious charges of malfeasance.. ...But some can skate..

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06-16-2019 03:08 PM
Argent11
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Originally Posted by NWBear View Post
"Pardon? A terrorist state is one that regularly commits acts of terror, or else pays, persuades, or threatens others to do their dirty work for them (a portrait of Iran)."

A very good definition and a perfect description of Saudi Arabia; who gives more money to terrorists worldwide, establishes more "Islamic" schools, and is the only only country who supported the attack and killing of 3000+ Americans. When we stop kissing up to them I will start to believe we are serious about stopping Islamic Terrorism.

Good post Bear. It didn't help matters when Obama bowed down and kissed the hand of the Saudi King.
Then jumped in and sent Iran billions of dollars.
06-16-2019 01:49 PM
NWBear "Pardon? A terrorist state is one that regularly commits acts of terror, or else pays, persuades, or threatens others to do their dirty work for them (a portrait of Iran)."

A very good definition and a perfect description of Saudi Arabia; who gives more money to terrorists worldwide, establishes more "Islamic" schools, and is the only only country who supported the attack and killing of 3000+ Americans. When we stop kissing up to them I will start to believe we are serious about stopping Islamic Terrorism.
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