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11-12-2019 05:53 AM
littlecanoe By using the word dunamai Jesus is telling them that they do not have the power to read the signs of the times. He isn’t telling them that they need to study signs.

In verse four Jesus says that an evil and adulterous generation looks for a sign but no sign will be given.

So what makes your reading of the signs of the times any different than the reading of every generation which has preceded you?
11-11-2019 04:48 PM
ironglow
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I didn’t say that all prophesy is past history. I said that the purpose of scripture, which includes prophesy, is not written as a means of predicting the future. People have been trying that since the ascension of Christ and the record is pretty poor.

So what is your prediction on when this will happen?
I don't make predictions, nor do I refuse Jesus' invitation to read "the signs of the times"..

He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. (Matt 16:2,3)

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11-10-2019 09:10 PM
Dee I see no confusion in the scriptures I posted.
There is never reason for terror if one fears the consequences of rejecting Salvation enough to accept Christ's offer.
11-10-2019 01:47 PM
littlecanoe True. Thatís what makes it a bit difficult to determine what fear, in this case, means in the scope and context of this discussion. In translation it has different meanings depending on the verse. Then each person has an understanding based on their experience and church background.
11-10-2019 12:46 PM
Dee
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It’s interesting to study the Greek words translated as fear and their use.

Do you understand the word to imply terror in the verses that you reference?
Perhaps "terror" occupies a different space in your life than mine.
In my past career, I have felt fear, and witnessed it many times.
I have seen terror numerous times, but have not experienced it.

The Demon, I'm sure has, and will again, experience terror, as will the unsaved, when their hour comes and reality presents itself.

To add such a word scripture many times, changes the context to something that was never intended.
11-10-2019 11:47 AM
littlecanoe That helps me understand your position. Thanks.
11-10-2019 11:41 AM
Dee LC, I don't spend any time dissecting words for hidden, real, or imagined meanings.
I read scripture to say what it says, and check it for, and with corresponding scripture, if I am in doubt of understanding. That method usually clears up the issue, at least for me.

Example: Luke Chapter 18 verse 2 corresponds with Exodus Chapter 18 verse 13, Deuteronomy Chapter 1 verse 16, Chapter 16 verse 18, Chapter 25 verse 1,
1st Samuel Chapter 2 verse 25, Chapter 7 verse 16, 2nd Chronicles Chapter 19 verse 5, and Matthew Chapter 5 verse 25.
11-10-2019 11:05 AM
littlecanoe Itís interesting to study the Greek words translated as fear and their use.

Do you understand the word to imply terror in the verses that you reference?
11-10-2019 09:46 AM
Dee
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Fear of the Lord and fear of death and **** are two different things.

Fear in proverbs 1:7 has quite a different meaning than fear of death, he(ll), jail, punishment for my crime, loss of control of my life, etc. I have no doubt that people under the situation that you outlined turn to religion in an attempt to fix their problem. That seems like a common tendency of man. The point that I was going for was that prison/jail conversions seem to be the civilian equivalent of foxhole conversions.

Over the years I’ve looked back at fire and brimstone sermons that I was exposed to and compared them to Christ’s and the Apostles sermons. There is quite a difference.
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Actually there is NO DIFFERENCE.

Folks not fearing god spoken of;

Luke Chapter 18 verse 2
Roman's Chapter 3 verse 18
Revelation Chapter 15 verse 4

The Comand of Jesus Christ to "Fear God"

1st Peter Chapter 2 verse 17
Matthew Chapter 10 verse 28
Luke Chapter 12 verse 5
Revelation Chapter 14 verse 17

Those Who "Fear God"

Acts Chapter 10 verse 2 and verse 22.
Acts Chapter 13 verse 16 and verse 26

The ESSENTIALNESS of Christian's to "FEAR GOD"

Luke Chapter 12 verse 5
Acts Chapter 9 verse 17
2nd Corinthians Chapter 5 verse 11
Ephesians Chapter 5 verse 21
Ephesians Chapter 6 verse 5
Philippians Chapter 2 verse 12
Colossians Chapter 3 verse 22
Hebrew Chapter 4 verse 1
1st Peter Chapter 1 verse 17
2nd Corinthians Chapter 7 verse
Here is New Testament teachings from Christ, and his disciples.

Your "sermon givers" were "soft peddling" and you apparently haven't done a through search on the New Testament Truth.

The fire and brimstone Gospel survived the New Testament. Folks just don't know, or want it.
11-10-2019 09:41 AM
Dee Actually there is NO DIFFERENCE.

Folks not fearing god spoken of;

Luke Chapter 18 verse 2
Roman's Chapter 3 verse 18
Revelation Chapter 15 verse 4

The Comand of Jesus Christ to "Fear God"
1st Peter Chapter 2 verse 17
Matthew Chapter 10 verse 28
Luke Chapter 12 verse 5
Revelation Chapter 14 verse 17

Those Who "Fear God"
Acts Chapter 10 verse 2 and verse 22.
Acts Chapter 13 verse 16 and verse 26

The ESSENTIALNESS of Christian's to "FEAR GOD"
Luke Chapter 12 verse 5
Acts Chapter 9 verse 17
2nd Corinthians Chapter 5 verse 11
Ephesians Chapter 5 verse 21
Ephesians Chapter 6 verse 5
Philippians Chapter 2 verse 12
Colossians Chapter 3 verse 22
Hebrew Chapter 4 verse 1
1st Peter Chapter 1 verse 17
2nd Corinthians Chapter 7 verse
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