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11-07-2019 08:23 AM
land_owner
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Originally Posted by p51 View Post
I came very, VERY close to dropping someone when I was in the military and to this day I still wake up from nightmares that I pulled the trigger after all. Those of you who proclaim you'd drop them, I hope you never have to make that call.
Situation: I am sitting on the ground, armed with a 30-30 Winchester and 150 grain Speer RNs, on my own property at O-Dark-30, awaiting the opening of deer season, which is coming at 30-minutes prior to dawn. A pickup truck backs up to my gate. Someone gets out and trespasses ARMED.

When he walks up to me, I shine my flashlight on him, and ask him what he thinks he is doing. He tells me matter-of-fact that he is going to hunt there that morning. I tell him to LEAVE - immediately.

He says he "has permission" from the property owner. I tell him that I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER and he is to LEAVE immediately. He gets belligerent and says he is GOING TO HUNT and that HE HAS THE OWNER'S PERMISSION.

I inform him that I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER, HE HAS NO PERMISSION, to lean his gun against a tree, turn around, and go back to his truck where I will meet him. He says (and I will never forget), "You can't talk to me like that. We'll have a shoot out right here!"

I had him covered with my rifle, finger on the trigger. If he had covered me with his rifle, or even so much as twitched in that instant as if he was going to, I would have ended him right there.

Turned out this boy is the 16 y.o. nephew of an associate of mine from work that TOOK THE LIBERTY of inviting his nephew to hunt my property. That ended right quick.
11-07-2019 08:11 AM
gpa&hisguns
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Originally Posted by p51 View Post
Okay, the 'keyboard Rambo' nonsense aside, legally, what would be correct for a cop/judge/jury to expect of someone when someone is coming up on them with a club?
In Florida, you could legally do anything shy of cooking them and eating them afterward. Texas, too, I'd bet...
In the Pacific NW, where people are allowed to protest as much and as annoyingly/illegally as they want with minimal police interference, I wonder.
But let's say I'm in downtown Seattle, unaware that this is going on (as I too would avoid such events if I knew of them) and I had my concealed carry firearm. Then, someone comes up with a freaking baton like that. Yeah, in all calmness and clarity of thought, I would wonder, "Man, do I have to at least pull this thing out?"
You might not recall, but during the WTO protest, some guy in a suit did pull out a handgun when he got surrounded by these people and I only recall someone grabbed his arm. I never heard who he was or what happened next, but nobody got shot there so it's a given the pistol didn't go off.
Now, if the guy had already clocked someone with said club and was coming to me, I'd think that legally, it would stand that I feared for my life if I had no way to get away easily. No stand your ground laws here.
I came very, VERY close to dropping someone when I was in the military and to this day I still wake up from nightmares that I pulled the trigger after all. Those of you who proclaim you'd drop them, I hope you never have to make that call.
I hope and pray that I never have to use deadly force. Life is great without having to go through the thought of "I just took a life". However we are driven to carry for a reason and that is defense and defense only. In this case it is a wonder that the guy that survived the baton attack lived to talk about it. I can promise that if some guy was beating one of my friends over the head with that thing he would get shot. No Rambo stuff or heroics involved. Just preservation of others as well as myself and that is why I carry in the first place.

Suppose you did not shoot and your friend died? I would rather have to live with the fact that there was one less ANTIFA ******* around than live with the fact that my friend was dead and I let it happen!
11-07-2019 08:03 AM
land_owner Why The **** should I have to LOGIN to see a video? It will not play here on GBO for me.

I logged in and saw the anti-fa getting beat down AFTER they provoked the attacks with pepper spray and possibly a baton to the head of one of the Good Guys.

GREAT beat down imo. A bullet to the brain would have been a better response. Stoopid hooded idiots got LESS THAN they justly deserved and then tried to claim it was the Good Guy's fault.

BWAHAHAHAhahahahahaha.

Yeah, we would gut and skin them here in FL. Eating them would be a stretch. Feed them to the gators is more likely. No mess to clean up...just saying.
11-06-2019 08:00 PM
p51 Okay, the 'keyboard Rambo' nonsense aside, legally, what would be correct for a cop/judge/jury to expect of someone when someone is coming up on them with a club?
In Florida, you could legally do anything shy of cooking them and eating them afterward. Texas, too, I'd bet...
In the Pacific NW, where people are allowed to protest as much and as annoyingly/illegally as they want with minimal police interference, I wonder.
But let's say I'm in downtown Seattle, unaware that this is going on (as I too would avoid such events if I knew of them) and I had my concealed carry firearm. Then, someone comes up with a freaking baton like that. Yeah, in all calmness and clarity of thought, I would wonder, "Man, do I have to at least pull this thing out?"
You might not recall, but during the WTO protest, some guy in a suit did pull out a handgun when he got surrounded by these people and I only recall someone grabbed his arm. I never heard who he was or what happened next, but nobody got shot there so it's a given the pistol didn't go off.
Now, if the guy had already clocked someone with said club and was coming to me, I'd think that legally, it would stand that I feared for my life if I had no way to get away easily. No stand your ground laws here.
I came very, VERY close to dropping someone when I was in the military and to this day I still wake up from nightmares that I pulled the trigger after all. Those of you who proclaim you'd drop them, I hope you never have to make that call.
11-06-2019 06:20 PM
powderman
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Originally Posted by gpa&hisguns View Post
I am not one to ever show up at such an event as I learned a long time ago to steer clear of that kind of scene. However it's a matter of time before they bring it to us. In such a situation that baton was being used in an attempt to administer deadly force! Had he been using that force on one of my friends then he might have gotten a little deadly force back and it would have been justified.

What do you gents think?

RIGHT you are my friend. Antifa are anti American punks dem supporting , enemies of the United States. BANG FLOP enough of them that crap will stop. They serve no purpose in America except to promote hatred, shoot the punks. CHARLIE.
11-06-2019 06:04 PM
p51 Makes you wonder why things like those in the video above (thanks, BTW, I'd never seen that before) doesn't happen more often? Trust me, I live in the Pac NW and even some strong liberal types I know are sick of this!
11-06-2019 05:00 PM
O-mega Got to love it when a plan come together.
11-06-2019 04:25 PM
land_owner
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What do you gents think?
gpa - I like the way you think. Use of deadly force after that thwack on the head would be justified in my book. Maybe even use of deadly force PRIOR to that thwack on the head. Just the action of him taking that baton out would spur me to shoot...but then that would mean I would have to be there in the thick of it, which I perceive would be a stretch for me.

As a tourist somewhere, overtaken by an angry mob, threatened or the perception of great bodily harm, I would shoot first and ask questions later, fearing for my life and the lives of my family. Let the Monday morning Quarterbacks digest the situation ad nauseum after-the-fact while I contemplate all of my healthy fingers, toes, head, and body.

It would be far better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by six.
11-05-2019 03:59 PM
flynmoose Very well said p51!
FM
11-05-2019 03:33 PM
p51 I think at this point, Portland has become a laughing stock for the rest of the country for what they'll allow in their town. It's really starting to cost them business conventions and other large events, and I think a message had to be sent that the pendulum has swung so far one way that someone had to be made an example.
I really would find it equally wrong if liberals were routinely beat up and the attackers smugly went before the media saying they felt right about their actions. Neither side has the right to do that.
Someone earlier mentioned the Germans, which I expected. But if we learned anything from that time, once you declare the 'other' side of something as people who are without merit or regard, then you breed a mindset of "well, they're nothing, so whatever I do to them to support my personal take on things is okay and just!" Once you dismiss your opponent as unworthy of the considerations any person deserves, that's when things will get ugly. Fast.
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