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#1 ·
Got some testing done with 12GA FH we just finished, using
730 gr Dixie Terminator hard slugs..First the gun is 25 lb built on a Savage 210 action,
heavy barrel 31 in long.Stock is full of
lead shot and epoxy in the butt section..
We got 2700 fps top speed with TERMINATOR
lead slugs.No leading..All shooting done with one case to see how they hold up,over 2 dozen firings and no resizing needed on the bottom
2/3 of the case yet, only size the top 1/3 to
grip bullet..cases fall out of chamber, and I have a minimum 12 gauge chamber as it is tight fit to get regular 12ga shot shell in it.Cases are made from BMG brass that
we added rims to..John at Bridger made and put rims on.Still uses BMG primer.can also fire regular shotshells.

Loads done so far with 730 gr terminsator--

230 gr HBMG---1550 fps
280 ge HBMG---2000 fps---21k load

260 gr W860---2200 fps
300 gr W860---2400 fps---27k load

250 gr 7383---2560 fps---35k load..slight comp.

260 gr Magpro-2430 fps
300 gr Magpro-2700 fps---35k load-11,800 ft lbs.

As this crappy weather allows,
Will test 750 gr Bridger bullet; and
A Barnes 3/4 oz sabot(should get 4 grand).

Maybe we can find a way to get a thick walled reciever done to put the Savage bolt, bolt carrier, trigger etc on,with slightly larger
barrel thread..Then it would have safety margin for 50-55k loads.. The 3 lug bolt will hold if in thicker reciever...It is a real super smooth
operating action.

Rob on AR got his going also.It is built on a Borchardt falling block
action, He can run full pressures as action was for BMG case.He got
a 750 gr Bridger bullet to 3000 fps, 15000 ft lbs.Ed Hubel
 
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12 ga

Dear Ed:
This is very impressive and interesting stuff! Bear medicine, indeed! When you go on your safari to Jurassic Park, can I come too?
Small attempts at humor aside, thank you for this post!
A 12 ga., with Dixie slugs might be good to have on a trip to Alaska, (Certainly yours would be! ) so this subject has my interest. Using the Terminator, do you find an advantage or improvement in using brass cases instead of shotgun hulls? Or, would I, if using a standard shotgun? Do you think that cases made from 50 BMG would be better than brass 12 ga hulls? And then there is the question of mold selection for casting slugs.
I sure hope you continue to report on this project, cause you play with some really neat toys! Yup, I'd feel safe with you on safari!
Woodbutcher
 
#6 ·
Msorenso--Haven't got 700 HE done yet.few more
months.
Woodbutcher- brass cases are better if
you want to raise velocities a little.. You will need good sizing die.Cases made like ours from BNG are stronger than regular 12ga brass also..Our
cases could be cut back.For feeding with brass
cases in pump, auto, etc you should have a die to
crimp the mouth into groove on slug. after
loading.
Killdeer--Rob in Cal with his, maybe he can get
the guv to fire it.Ed.
 
#10 ·
Here is pictures of cases.first is pic of
our case made from BMG brass next to regular 12ga
plastic.Second pic is BMG case with rim we put on it
next to completed fired case with 730gr
Dixie Terminator slug.Ed.



 
#13 ·
Looks like a Hesse 50 BMG I use to own. :D
 
#16 ·
WB--When I chrono I have a stand up bench and heavy
tripod that I lock barrel into. so total wt
is about 100 lbs.Off hand I've fired it a few times with heavy loads.Ed.
 
#21 ·
msorenso is going to make a 700NE on
a savage. It is great to see others
get big bore fever..here is more info on our 12GA
FH cases,in picture is 3 different bullets
in cases, and original bmg case with rim
turned off and threaded for the 12ga size
rims shown in picture.Ed.

 
#24 ·
Here is a comparison picture of big bores, ones
to be used in place of bmg which may not be
big enough, in answer to the other thread about
bmg. 1st 700NE- 2nd 12GA Fh- 3rd 700HE..Ed

 
#25 ·
Here is comparison picture of our case and regular brass case, both sectioned showing how much
heavier and stronger ours is, Ours in pic is the one we fired 36 times.Ed

 
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