Fitting the new mm barrel bushing to the barrel and slide. I fit the barrel bushing to the slide so there is about 1/8" turn to full lockup with the bushing in the slide. It's not too tight yet snug. I use the bushing wrench.
Barrel Spring,
This is when the barrel is in full battery or lowered to accept the next round you push the barrel into full battery and it springs back out of full battery. The barrel bushing isn't fitted properly.
The barrel must have 100% lockup in full battery yet have no barrel spring in either direction. In full battery you shouldn't be able to push down on the barrel. If you can push down on the barrel your not getting the full lug ingagement. You need a longer link. The lug ingagement must be checked.
I discussed this with Mikey about what to do to improve the accuracy. Mikey said that the 1911's accuracy is in the barrel to bushing fit. I was going to do the frame rail to slide fit. He was right the barrel to bushing fit is the accuracy on the 1911.
Lilly, if I were you I would try a FLGR. Use the same recoil spring your using now and try it. I perfer the two piece full length guide rod. It changes the handling of the recoil on the 1911. You will see the difference.
Hi Standard, Camp Perry hard ball gus gauntees 2 inches - at 50 yards I have one and it willdo it from a mechanical rest. I can not, even 2 handed. functions perfectly with every ammo Ive tried. cost about $1500.
BD
I disagree in one point 1911 crazy made, and I'm sue he meant to say it differently. Accuracy in a 1911 does not depend on practice, practice, practice. We can practice 16 hours per day for years and not do anything for the accuracy of whatever gun you are shooting. I'm referring to the inherent accuracy built into a 1911, not the practiced or unpracticed shooter. Ain't I a trouble maker?
If I gotta shoot 25 yards or more freehand with a pistol, I prefer a 6" 357.
I think someone makes a fixed barrel 1911 which might be the way to go for extreme accuracy.
1911crazy: While I agree about the importance of a fitted barrel bushing, I believe that you underemphasize the importance of the barrel link/link pin and their fitting to the underlug.
A 1911 barrel is supported at two points....at the muzzle by the bushing and at the breech by the action of the barrel link. As you noted, if the barrel spring needs correcting, that is done at the link end.
Pete
1911crazy: While I agree about the importance of a fitted barrel bushing, I believe that you underemphasize the importance of the barrel link/link pin and their fitting to the underlug.
A 1911 barrel is supported at two points....at the muzzle by the bushing and at the breech by the action of the barrel link. As you noted, if the barrel spring needs correcting, that is done at the link end.
Pete
Now, there is a company out there that is producing some 1911's that shoot 10-shot consistent groups at 100 yards under 2 inches and that company is Accuracy X Inc. I think their pistols probably start at the $4K mark and go from there.
Reality.....they may have a video that does what you say. Their guarantee, however, is 1.5" at 25 yards for their Pro series guns. For their Pro+ series, they refer to 10Xs at 50 yards.....difficult to do and so rarely if ever done standing one hand unsupported.....the X-ring at 50 yards is 1.6" wide. (FYI....the national record for slow fire with a 45 at 50 yards was set in 1982 and remains unbroken/unmatched. It is for 20 shots and was set by B.D. Harmon. The record is 200-11X.)
I have seen 10X targets but they have all been at indoor distances. Pete
Ya, I would assume Accuracy X makes their 2 inch 100 yard 1911's to order and have a price tag to match. Their X series with the 1.5" guarantee for 10-shots at 50 yards is $5K - don't really know why the big price difference between them and Baer but that type of accuracy is pretty amazing, at least to me. I've owned and shot Clark & Shockey 1911's competitively and they all had a 2.5" rating (10 shots @ 50 yards) with test target and load recommendation furnished with pistol. The mechanical rest shot beautiful groups indicating that the pistol was capable of shooting 200-20X, however, there currently are no humans on this planet capable of shooting that score from a 1911 using one-hand and I haven't heard of anyone doing it with two hands either.
Speaking for myself, I want the most accurate firearm I can afford whenever I shoot - whether in the field or on the line. I had a BR sporter rifle that would group 0.080" shot indoors - I never was able to earn a screamer patch (0.099 or smaller), as shooting a 5 shot group measuring 0.102" will just cost you a couple bucks when requesting a re-measure thinking the group is smaller and all you've done is insult the scoring team and for that you'll pay a couple bucks. There were plenty of rifles with good wind reading marksmen behind the trigger that earned a screamer patch and their rifles were probably 0.150" rifles.
As for 1911's that are more accurate than the best of the best current high master shooters can shoot - well, I've always preferred owning those type pistols - even at my age, just 'cus. ;D
Neither practice nor the shooter has anything to do with inherent accuracy of a 1911. Neither does a machine rest. Again, I refer to the accuracy built into the gun. Of course practice and shooting aids make US shoot more accurately, but it does not change the ability of the weapon.
Utterly reliable and amazingly accurate??
Well....a 1911 is a machine and no machine is utterly reliable. How about extremely reliable?
My own 1911 is a series 80 Colt Gold Cup that I had further accursed by the late George Madore. It would hold the X-ring on the B16 target. At this point it has upwards of 60K rounds through it and has only rarely failed to fire. I do not remember the last time it had an ftf. It has been pretty reliable at that rate.
So....buy a Colt or a Springfield or soensuch from a reputable manufacturer and send it to a Bullseye gunsmith.
Bullseye guns have to be utterly reliable and amazingly accurate.
Pete
Some people never get accuracy out of a 1911. I had a co worker who was in nam who couldn't hit a barn as he told me. I took him to the range to teach him my basics at the time. I had him hitting the target at 25 yards in one outing. Pie plate accuracy, he was happy.
Also: though I know that it is off the topic... I have to admit that 1911crazy's remarks about the importance of the bushing are spot on. The idea came up today at a 2700 match and all the participants in that discussion agreed with the bushing idea, downplaying the effect of the link. One point made was that, with a properly fitted bushing, the gun will lock up even without the link.
Pete
Just my thoughts on this thread. 1) The 1911 was designed as a combat sidearm, designed and built to work 100% of the time and to take out the enemy quickly, usually one shot. 2) Tricked out 1911 and clones are designed and built to shoot targets accurately and reliably as possible, accuracy first,reliability comes in a close second, basicly if you drop a shot you lose points, not your life. I have known officers who carried tricked out 1911's and have shot themselves by accident or have had problems on the range due to too tight tolerance. Please let us not confuse the issue, if it is a carry gun you want reliability first and accuracy second, for target guns, just swap your priorities. Target guns, depending on the shooting discipline are normally shot at distances from 5 yards out to 50 yards. Self defense guns are shot from off the muzzle to usually 15 yards. Do I want an accurate self defense gun, Yes, but first and foremost I want it to bang every time I pull the trigger. I might shoot longer ranges sometimes, but mostly it will be from muzzle to 15 yards. Just my $0,02 worth. Take care, John.
I let my son and his girlfriend who never shot a 1911 nor any handgun shoot my reworked norinco 1911. All I said was for them to aim the sights dead on at 25yds. They shot almost the exact same clusters and cloverleafs as I did. They used no rest it was hand held. I left the slide rattle alone. I just fitted the new surplus barrel and nm barrel bushing. She runs ball ammo flawlessly the way it was designed for. My low cost build, using very affordable new parts proves we don't need a high dollar 1911 to get an accurate one. My only regret is I wished I purchased more $59 surplus USGI barrels.
Building a 1911 is like building a drag race engine. All the changes we make work together. On my Norc 1911 I removed the bump of the slide when running the empty slide when it hits the disconnector by changing the little chamfer to a ramp. So the bump is removed. The slide action is smoothed out no. I added the FLGR to remove the horizontal forces put on the slide as the recoil spring would coil up as the slide ran backwards. The binding is removed. Now with the barrel bushing properly fitted to the slide and barrel we achieved accuracy. My Norc 1911 will shoot accurately if the shooter does his part.
Just run an empty slide on the 1911 frame rails and feel the bump from the disconnector.
Does anyone here know where I might send my favorite production 1911 to have it tuned for accuracy? I completed a course yesterday in VA with my SR1911 and fired a 98, which means let one of the 50 rounds get away. However, that same gun off sandbags, will only do about 3" at 25 yards? I'm not a "fixer" so I need to send it off. Who can do such work. I'd like a 2" gun without buying a new one.
There is a 1911 'smith who lives close to me that did (does?) a lot of the work for pistol shooters at Riverbend Gun Club. I contacted him about working on my two 1911's but never have gotten them to him, which I really want to do. So basically he is just a name to me but I got it from people who were satisfied with his work.
Let me know if you want his contact info. I'll try to find it.
Miss Lilly, don't know where you live but if sending it off doesn't bother you, the best in this part of Texas is Steve Cline in San Antonio. He's not a big shop and HE will be the one working on your gun. He does a lot of the real serious shooters 1911's here. Like anything else, accuracy comes with the price. He can do a fabulous trigger job and he can rework the bushing for you. I would think that would get you into the 1" group game from bags with the right ammo. Might give him a call and chat with him.
Clines Trigger Shop
439 Maddux
San Antonio, Tx
(210) 674-1111
FWIW, I have a Kimber Grand Raptor you couldn't hit your truck with at 50 yds. I sent it back to Kimber only to get it back marked they couldn't find anything wrong with it. I took it to Steve, he looked at it and said a moron can see what's wrong with it. An hour later I got it back and the gun will shoot an inch all day at 25 yds from bags with the right ammo. Yours may be just a simple of a fix. Cost me 50 bucks to go from a scatter pistol to a real nice shooter. Not gonna say yers will be a cheap fix but ya don't know if ya don't ask.
Thanks guys! I knew someone here could advise me. I don't mind sending it off; glad to be without it for awhile if it will come back a good shooter. Thanks very much.
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