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I want to order one these. Is there a catalog# or manufacture # ? I have called 4 dealers and none have the 222 Rem showing available :( Any ideas where else to look. Or wont they be out till next year. Todd
 

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I picked up a NIB complete rifle at the local gun show a few weeks ago.
I just got lucky I guess.



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So is the 222 only available now as an accessory barrel? I was thinking of sending in to get one but it turns out my sb2 receivers are too old. Then I thought I would have my lgs order me a whole new rifle (since I need a receiver anyways) but I can't find a model # to have him look for to order a whole rifle. I found this post when looking for a model#. Am I out of luck?
 

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Not sure what your end goal is, but I just put a .223 on my .45-70 BC Frame and it's a very accurate heavy barrel in 1:9 twist. The nice thing about the .223 is lots of ammo deals around for it. Was there a particular reason you wanted .222? Just curiousity on my part. ;)
 

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LONGTOM,
Does your NIB rifle have a model number on the outside of the box? Perhaps that will be the info we need to order another complete rifle.




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tacklebury said:
Not sure what your end goal is, but I just put a .223 on my .45-70 BC Frame and it's a very accurate heavy barrel in 1:9 twist. The nice thing about the .223 is lots of ammo deals around for it. Was there a particular reason you wanted .222? Just curiousity on my part. ;)
I'd had a Savage in 222 for years. I liked the cartrige but never really warmed up to the gun. When I saw here that the 222 handi was available I got rid of the Savage (traded for a pistol with some cash to boot) to make room for my new Handi. Looks like the 222 dies and brass will be gathering dust until I figure out how I'm going to get one.
 

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tacklebury said:
Not sure what your end goal is, but I just put a .223 on my .45-70 BC Frame and it's a very accurate heavy barrel in 1:9 twist. The nice thing about the .223 is lots of ammo deals around for it. Was there a particular reason you wanted .222? Just curiousity on my part. ;)
The 222 is the Parent cartridge to the 223. Generally, but not always, it is more accurate than a 223. The 222 held many benchrest records until the 6 PPC came along. If I am not mistaken, it still holds the world record for the smallest 5 shot group at 100 yards. Further the 222 is a 1-14" twist cartridge and the 223 was a 1 - 12" or 1 - 9" cartridge. The 223 getting the faster twist as a bow to it's military heritage where heavier bullets were employed. It's military background gave rise to it's popularity, cheap brass and cheap or free ammo - not because it a better cartridge. The 222 was designed for 52 or 53 grain bullets; thus the 1 - 14" twist that was used. As easy as the 223 is on barrels, the 222 is even better. There is about 150 fps difference in the two with the nod going to the 223 of course - 3150 vs 3300 for a 50 grain bullet or there about. Not really that much for a higher pressure round. Believe me, if you use a Hornady 50 grain SX spire point, it really does a number on a woodchuck in a 222. That bullet was designed for the 222 Remington to give explosive hits on critters like the 220 Swift had done for years. Then there is the nostalgia thing, like a 22 Hornet, or 45-70 for instance. There really is really no good reason for them to exist. There are other cartridges that can do the same thing as cheaply and as accurately, yet manufactures still make rifles and people still buy them. They still make a few 222 guns besides the H&R there is the new Savage Model 25 and CZ that spring to mind and you can get custom barrels from most any one who manufactures barrels - some with custom neck sizes.

After saying all of that, I presently do not own a 222 Remington and presently have 2 - 223's. A 223 is a bunch easier to get than a 222, because of the cheapness (military background) of the ammo, not because it is a better cartridge. I still have the RCBS precision dies (old style windowed seater) and brass for the 222. I have been very tempted to get a 222 barrel fitted to one of my frames[/color], but the 1-9" twist rate has me thinking I want to go in a different direction.[/color] 1 of my 223's is 1 - 12" twist (H&R) and the other is 1 - 14" twist (Shilen) and have a spare 1 - 14" A&B for a Savage. I am not a fan of heavier bullets in a .224 caliber unless I can push them at 3000 fps or faster for the really long shots. I presently have a 22 BR with a 1 - 8" twist with 75 - 80 grain bullets in mind. The 2 - 223's with 1 - 9" twist had both of their barrels pulled for a slower twist rate.

Good Luck and Good Shooting
 

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I had a similiar problem finding one in 7.62x39. Just like the 222, a complete rifle in 7.62x39 is not currently listed as available from H&R. Also, the 222 is not listed as available as an accessory barrel either on the web site or with H&R customer service. As a H&R/Remington employee Brian56 is nice enough to tell us here what they have in stock that does not show up as available. Seems like the only option you have is to find either a receiver here on the classifieds or a complete rifle that has a serial number that makes it eligible to send in for an accessory barrel. There is a sticky on the first page of this forum that will tell you what year corresponds to each serial number. Compare these numbers and years to the Barrel Accessory page at H&R's website:

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

Once you find a receiver that is eligible for the barrel accessory program:
Print off the Barrel Accessory Program order form from the web site.
Fill it out with the part number Brian56 provided previously in this thread.
Send in your receiver and order form per the instructions.

Brian56 is an invaluable resource in this process as he is the one that fits the barrels! Contact him and I am sure he will be happy to help you.
 

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Yes I do still have the box with all the info on it.
Here you go guys.



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LONGTOM said:
Yes I do still have the box with all the info on it.
Here you go guys.
LONGTOM

You're the man!! :)


Thanks, Dinny
 

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tacklebury said:
Not sure what your end goal is, but I just put a .223 on my .45-70 BC Frame and it's a very accurate heavy barrel in 1:9 twist. The nice thing about the .223 is lots of ammo deals around for it. Was there a particular reason you wanted .222? Just curiousity on my part. ;)
YEP A real good reason. CUZ I DO ;D Already have 2 223's. Wanted a Handi 222 to match my Contender 10" 222. Just in case i go for a bike ride and can only 1 take a rifle and pistol. ::) 3leg
 

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Good nuff, was just a curiousity thing, but figured so. ;)
 

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Yes, but what is the twist rate of the 222? ;) There are a few 225 around here with mixed reviews.

Good question, I guess I was just assuming it would be a 1:12" twist. ::) I have a PM to Brian and will report my findings for an addition to the FAQs.


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Most likely 1:9", same as 223 and Hornet, but Brian would be the best source to confirm. ;)

Tim
 
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