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Hey guys I took my encore and omega out yesterday and shot them again with the pyro pellets and 250 shockwaves.

Im still very shocked and pleased at the accuracy Im getting with the omega and the 150 grain pellet pyro pellet charge and the 250 shockwave.

Has anyone actually chronographed the 250 grain shcokwave with 150 grains of pyro pellets out of a 50 cal omega or an encore?

How about the 200 shockwave and the 3 pellet charge?
 

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This will not answer your question, but I found no real advantage to 3 pellets opposed to 2 pellets. The added recoil was not worth the speed. Also my groups were always better with the 2 pellets. JMHO :D
 

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yhree pellets

I use three pellets of triple 7 in my omegas. I get great accuracy with both the 250 shockwave and sst . I use the black long petal high pressure sabots from mmp. This load will shoot 1.5" groups approx 2175 ft per second.

I have used this load on several deer, it will usally drop them on the spot , you wont be doing much tracking with this load.
 

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I am fairly new to muzzle loading and I bought an omega last summer. I shoot 200 gr shock waves with 2 pellets of triple 7. At 100 yrds my holes were all touching. At 200 yrds I had a 2 inch group. I have a 3x9 nikon for optics. I have never tried 3 pellets. I would be curious as to how much more speed and energy I would gain though.

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I am fairly new to muzzle loading and I bought an omega last summer. I shoot 200 gr shock waves with 2 pellets of triple 7. At 100 yrds my holes were all touching. At 200 yrds I had a 2 inch group. I have a 3x9 nikon for optics. I have never tried 3 pellets. I would be curious as to how much more speed and energy I would gain though.

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You would gain about 250 to 300 fps. But what I found is my groups got bigger. Not worth the extra recoil and inaccuracy. IMO. :D
 

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Well then I stick to 2 pellets. Thank you Red hawk.

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I have had nothing but good luck with two pellets. Accuracy, lower recoil and complete pass through shots on deer. Longest deer shot at 125 yards with my Encore 50 cal and two pellets. :grin:

Good luck and let us know how you make out. :D
 

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110gr loose 777 with a 200 SW gives me 2100 fps in my Omega. 3 pellets is the equivalent to about 120gr, so 2175 sounds about right to me.
Guns differ...mine shoots wonderfully at 110gr (and a lot worse at 120).
 

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Shot these loads from my Omega yesterday.
3 pellets Pyro - 250 SST - 2250fps
3 pellets Pyro - 200 SW - 2479fps.
Fabulous accuracy, wouldn't dream of anything less!
 

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I will answer your question with my question.....................WHY 3 pellets ?

I don't see any advantage of the use of 3 pellets or 150 grains of powder, many people have too many problems shooting their guns with 150 grains that I can't see / justify trying the load.

100 grains will has enough energy to harvest any animal you would ever hunt for..... world wide.

Can of worms now open.......How far do you think you have the need to shoot at an animal?

And if you sight in at long range like 200-300 yards how will your rifle shoot at 30 yards or less?

Maybe I am old fashioned but I just don't see the need to load these black powder rifles to extreme like that ( even though the rifles are proofed to that much of a load and pressure).............I think it is just a way for the makers to sell the "new thing" and all marketing and hype just to sell these rifles to the public which is easily swayed to believe that you need that gun to shoot such a load............. ITS ALL SMOKE :grin:
 

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I will answer your question with my question.....................WHY 3 pellets ?

I don't see any advantage of the use of 3 pellets or 150 grains of powder, many people have too many problems shooting their guns with 150 grains that I can't see / justify trying the load.

100 grains will has enough energy to harvest any animal you would ever hunt for..... world wide.

Can of worms now open.......How far do you think you have the need to shoot at an animal?

And if you sight in at long range like 200-300 yards how will your rifle shoot at 30 yards or less?

Maybe I am old fashioned but I just don't see the need to load these black powder rifles to extreme like that ( even though the rifles are proofed to that much of a load and pressure).............I think it is just a way for the makers to sell the "new thing" and all marketing and hype just to sell these rifles to the public which is easily swayed to believe that you need that gun to shoot such a load............. ITS ALL SMOKE :grin:
My thoughts exactly. :D
 

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What ever works for you. It's hard to tell Omega and Andy thier heavy loads don't fit the bill after they've spent the time working up their loads and tuning their rifles. Both of them kill enough game in a season to feed a small village or more. And they have the pictures and videos to if'n they wanted to, but they don't.

With that being said, "look at me shooting 85 grains of 777 ffg pushing a 460 to 500 grain lead conical."

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surveyor Im the kinda guy that just has to see it for myself! I like shooting the black powder rifles and spend a great deal of my offseason working up loads.

Since I first shot the pellets a couple weeks ago in my encore and omegas I have been shooting pellets and swabing and measuring and shooting some more.

I have found in one of my omegas and my encore thus far the 3 pyro pellet charge is just as accurate as 2 pellet charges.

The season is still a long way off and I am working with 5 rifles trying to figure out which one to hunt with this year and what load I will be stuffing down its throat.

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That's the fun of it iisabigone! Very rarely do I try to tell someone what to shoot, because 9 time out of 10 nobody lessens to me any ole how. But I read alot on these sites and it alway amazes me of the different rifles, bullets, and loads people shoot. Mind boggling to say the least. Knowing you, you're all over the board. You got every style covered. :grin:

I love going to the range, with my Whites of course. I had these 2 guys next to me sighting an break action muzzleloader. I didn't get close enought to see what brand. Nice looking rifle with a broke dog leg stock thou. Well I get ready to shoot with my wife measuring for me. I look over and see them drop a pellet down the barre. I shoot. My wife measures. I load. I hear them shoot. I look over and one is looking through the spotter scope. I shoot. Reload, and shoot. Reload and shoot for about 5 times. I hear them shoot agin. I take a smoke break and watch them. That's 5 shots to 2 with me taking my good ole time. The guys swab the barrel, look at me and ask why am I shooting lead bullets. Then tell me I need to get some of them jacketed sabot bullet to be able to shoot worth a damn let alone kill a deer. I tell them OK? With the pellets down they short start a sabot round, then both of the have to push the darn thing down. I thought they were going to have to borrow 2lb stake driving hammer to send her home. Before the could get her loaded, I load and shoot 10 more times doing about 2 a minute. Nothing fast you know. I look through my spotter scope and all 15 rounds were in a 2 inch or less 100 group right where I want em. I turn and watch shot number 3 of their's go off. Then guy looking through the spotter scope said, 3 inches high 5 inches to the right. I give the down range signal to retrieve my target. Picking mine up I look at their 4 shot 10 to 12 inch group. I get back to the table with them in a little fight about what the **** do you want out of a muzzleloader. That's about a good as you're going blanky blanky get out of one of these. I start getting all my stuff together but one of the guy starts complaining about all that damn smoke I've made. He can't breath or see. Then he writes down the powder and bullet I need to get to be able to shoot a muzzleloader and be ready for deer season. I just grin at em. My wife gets pissed. I get her in the truck and head home. I then tell her every body wants to be an expert even if they are or not.

So every body keep on keep on, but never under estimate the shooter next to you.
 

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Surveyor We know what the white is capable of. Thats why I dont shoot the white much anymore! Its so boring! Shoot a round, pour powder, drop bullet, seat bullet, cap primer, shoot. Bullseye! Mine will wallow a hole in the target snuff can size all day long at 100 yds without swabbing.

I know what rifle Im reaching for when Im hunting on stand in the woods where my shots are going to be 100 yds or less. 70gr of 777 with the 460 NE is depedable for me.

Experimenting with all the new muzleloading stuff is a lot of the experience for me. Im just having a ball playing with all these new toys! And the selection of rilfes, bullets, powder and accesories is absolutly mind boggling. Some work, some dont and I laugh at a few but I got a lot of time to kill before the rut kicks in high gear this fall and Im having a ball pulling the trigger and making smoke.

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I hear YA! I need to pull my Cabelas Legacy out and shoot it some. I did a lot of work on that first MLer of mine. It's the only one I own that has made a 200 yard kill.

Have Fun! If we don't have anything, we can have fun.

Jules

ps; let's see some pictures
 

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Two Bears said:
I will answer your question with my question.....................WHY 3 pellets ?
My question is - if you and your gun can shoot the load accurately why wouldn't you use 3 pellets?

And if you sight in at long range like 200-300 yards how will your rifle shoot at 30 yards or less?
200 yard zero on my Omegas has me 2" high at 50, peak of the apex is 3.8" high at 125 yards.
 

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Two Bears said:
I will answer your question with my question.....................WHY 3 pellets ?
My question is - if you and your gun can shoot the load accurately why wouldn't you use 3 pellets?

And if you sight in at long range like 200-300 yards how will your rifle shoot at 30 yards or less?
200 yard zero on my Omegas has me 2" high at 50, peak of the apex is 3.8" high at 125 yards.
If you really looked at the advantage of 3 pellets vs. 2 pellets you would know. The added velocity about 200 to 300 fps is not going to make much difference. There will be more unburnt powder going out the muzzle. But if you want to blast 3 pellets, go for it. Me, I have kill a number of animals with just 2 pellets out to 175 yards with not problem. :D
 

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The added velocity about 200 to 300 fps is not going to make much difference. But if you want to blast 3 pellets, go for it. Me, I have kill a number of animals with just 2 pellets out to 175 yards with not problem. :D
Its over 500 fps out of my guns over the chronograph. If you want to give that up be my guest. If you don't think that makes a big difference you should maybe do a little research into it.


There will be more unburnt powder going out the muzzle.
This is the biggest urban myth out there. Where I live we have no shortage of fresh white snow to shoot over. I have NEVER found any unburnt powder shot out across the snow. Nothing, nada, and I've searched hard with my camera in hand to document the supposed phenomena for an article. I search right out to my sabot and have never yet found a speck. Maybe that has to do with the length of barrel on the Omega or the fact that I only shoot pellets, I don't know but the unburnt powder is a huge farce to me.
 

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Omega said:
Redhawk1 said:
The added velocity about 200 to 300 fps is not going to make much difference. But if you want to blast 3 pellets, go for it. Me, I have kill a number of animals with just 2 pellets out to 175 yards with not problem. :D
Its over 500 fps out of my guns over the chronograph. If you want to give that up be my guest. If you don't think that makes a big difference you should maybe do a little research into it.


There will be more unburnt powder going out the muzzle.
This is the biggest urban myth out there. Where I live we have no shortage of fresh white snow to shoot over. I have NEVER found any unburnt powder shot out across the snow. Nothing, nada, and I've searched hard with my camera in hand to document the supposed phenomena for an article. I search right out to my sabot and have never yet found a speck. Maybe that has to do with the length of barrel on the Omega or the fact that I only shoot pellets, I don't know but the unburnt powder is a huge farce to me.
No research needed. If it works for you great. But I don't need it. The man asked a question and I gave my opinion. But thank you urban myth buster. :-D :-D
 
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