Does anyone have a favorite bullet/powder load for a 35 Rem with a 14" barrell? I want to deer hunt with it. I have been using a 200gr Rem Core-Loc factory load, but it doesn't expand very well. It does kill them dead, but the wound channel is too small.
While I haven't been able to shoot a deer with them yet, I've had good luck at the range with Speer 180gr FNSP bullets. These are Hot-Core bullets, so they shouldn't shed their cores and you can get better velocity out of the 180's than the factory 200's. I clocked Federal factory 200's at about 1975fps out of my 14" barrel and some of my 180gr Speer loads with H322 powder have been in the 2200fps range. I think these are a little on the warm side and haven't settled on a load yet, though.
Some of my preliminary groups have been very good with this bullet. One 3-shot group at 100yds went way less than 1" ... in the .6 range .... so my gun certainly seems to like them!
My hunting load for the .35 Rem super 14 barrel is as follows and comes out of the 3rd edition of the Sierra Handgun Manual (it is a maximun load):
Of course, you need to work up to this load carefully starting at 36 Grains of H322! Your barrel is not the same as mine!
Bullet.........Sierra 200 gr RN
Powder.......40 grains Hodgdon 322 (maximum load)
Cartridge OAL.....2.536 (for my barrel)
The Sierra manual shows a velocity of 2050, but this load out of my barrel chronographs an average of 2151 fps. I have absolutely no high pressure signs in my barrel. Very slight primer flattening, very easy opening of action, and I am on my 5th loading of this lot of brass. I only partial resize, and do not set the shoulder back when reloading. However, in my Son's .35 Rem barrel, this load can only be loaded a maximum of 3 times, but his chamber is a lot larger than mine. I just sight in dead on at 150 yards for a flat shooting trajectory; 2.26 in. high at 100 yds. Accuracy wise, I have shot around 1 inch groups at 100 yards with this load.
This bullet has expanded well for me on a 6 foot blackbear, on antelope, and on deer. I also keep all shots at 150 yds or less. At 150 yards, it is still traveling at 1525 fps with 1032 ft/lbs of energy out of my barrel. The Sierra manual says this bullet will expand at 1500-2500 fps, and out of a handgun 150 yds should be maximum. That has been my experience. Most of my shots have been from 25 yds to 125 yds, and have had good bullet expansion as seen on lung damage, but have never recovered a bullet. Quite a few years ago, I shot an antelope at 200 plus yards through the lungs, and the antelope went about a quarter of a mile before laying down and dying. Very little expansion from the bullet, but a large enough frontal area to kill the animal (I learned a lesson here, and was sorry that I didn't humanely kill that animal). The blackbear was shot at aprox. 35 yards through the lungs as it was lying down eating dandy lions in early spring, and the lungs were totally destroyed. The bear ran about 10 yds at the shot and went over backwards with a death bellow. Good lung damage on deer and antelope at up to 125 yards. After the 200 yard antelope, I went to a 7x30 Waters for any hunting where I expect to shoot over 150 yards. I still want to shoot an elk with the .35, but still have not had the chance, having to use my rifle usually due to having to take quick shots and/or not having a rest for the handgun. But my time will come.
Maybe this load will work for you as well as it does for me.
Possum, I also like the 180 Speer over H 322. I use the CCI 250 with it and load to about 2100 fps in my barrel. The Sierra manual will take you higher, but their loads seem warm in my barrel. This load gives good performance on deer. As long as it kills them dead, I assume the wound channel is adequate and don't care to destroy more meat. The 180 Speer at 2100 kills them very dead, but doesn't blow away much of the far side. I like it.
I shot a 5X5 Elk in Colorado with a load that virtually duplicates Gary's H322 load, only I used 41grs of powder. One must be carefull with 322. I am told there are 3 different manufacturing sites for it and teh burning rates can be different enough to damage a gun when from one maximum to the next. If you change lots, work up your loads again to be safe! This info came directly from SSK. The Elk did not flinch at the shot but I saw the fur and dust fly. He folded up after about 300yds. There was so much blood from the lung- shot, and gushing from the mouth and nose, I knew it was mine. I recovered the bullet in the off-shoulder blade perfectly mushed, but it lost aobut 25gr in weight. It broke ribs on both sides and drove deeply into the shoulder, but did not exit. The bullet I used was the 200gr Hornady Spire point. It too chrony'd at about 2100fps. The Elk was only about 125yds broadside, but I was impressed with the 35 Remington. My 375JDJ does a much better job, but I would not feel under-gunned if i had to use my 35R again. I may try a 358JDJ this year.
Everything I have read so far has listed the .35 Remington with H322 between 31 -35 gr. with a 180gr. bullet for a max velocity of around 2104. When you guys are quoting 41grs of powder are you talking about the .350 Rem. Magnum or the old .35 Remington. Jumping 6gr of powder over the max listed in the Hodgdon manual for the .35 Remington would kind of make me nervous. Can you help me understand what you are referring to?
Possum - They are talking about the 35Rem, but there are huge discrepancies on H322 charges from on manual to the next. Hogdon lists something like a 42gr max for a 180gr bullet ( which, by the way, is way over max in my gun), but my Speer manual lists something around 35gr as max for this bullet. It may be what TopGun is referring to below ... maybe the manuals had different batches of H322 when they worked up loads and ended up with drastically different max's.
Bottom line ... start low and work up, watching for pressure signs (primers flattened / flowing into firing pin hole; signs of impending case head separation, which will be a bright ring around the case about 1/4" above the extractor groove; etc.). Also, velocity will be a good indicator. With a 180 you should be in the 2100 - 2150fps range, or thereabouts. If you get beyond this in a 14" barrel you are running too hot!
Crayfish is right about the descrepencies in load data. I got mine from one of the yellow contender load books. 39-40grs H322 with a 200gr JRN. Been shooting this load for years with out any problems. Fairly short brass life, but thats common for the 35 rem. KN
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