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I have just been given a replica 45 navy colt revolver.

I need info on this gun. What size balls does it take?

Any info is welcome.

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The gun probably came from Cabela's...they're the best at messing up this terminology. The Navy revolvers were all .36 caliber, the Army ones were .44 caliber. To the best of my knowledge, until the advent of the metallic cartridge Colts (1873), none were chambered for .45. If you have something bigger than a .36, you should be able to tell easily by just a quick look at the chambers. Incidentally, the frame of the gun should have the caliber stamped on it somewhere; Colts have it above the rear part of the triggerguard on the left side. If yours says ".45" you're gonna have to mike the chambers, then pick a ball size a few thousandths over that size, so it'll seal up. If it says ".44", the balls on the store shelf marked ".44" will probably do fine. The front of the chamber should cut a ring of Pb from the ball as it's rammed home. There are many swaged balls for revolvers on the market...Cabela's has some; if you live near a Gander Mountain, they carry them (well, .45s, at least), and your local hole-in-the-wall gunshop might well have 'em. You can also order roundball moulds from Lyman in even thousandths, and cast your own. If using a cast ball, the spue mark goes up, next to the rammer; if you're using swaged balls, don't worry about it. If this isn't clear, post again.
 

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45 Navy

The revolver. sold as a 44 Navy, is made with a rebated (stepped) cylinder, the fastest identifier. It is not a caliber that Colt Navies were ever made in, but modern marketing decided we needed them. The gun should take a .451 or .454 diameter roundball. The caliber might be stamped on the left side of the barrel above the wedge. 44 caliber percissions are .45 bore, 36 caliber percussions are .375 bore.
 

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Thanks everyone for your help.

The gun is a 44 cal made from a kit by "Firearms Import and Export Corp." The two page "manual" calls for .451 ball, this seats very easily with little or no lead shaving. I believe I will be trying the .454. This is probably a 30 year old "Kit" that is a recent hand me down.

I shot this gun ounce (six shots) and noticed that the first two shots where reasonable and the remaining four where off paper, is this typical due to fouling? I am shooting 3f black powder as manual calls for.

What can I do to keep 11 primer caps from falling off?

Gatofeo, I could not find your post! I would appreciate directions to it.

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Fred aka HappyHunter
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Navy caps

You have to pinch them a bit, but can't use a capper to do that... Best fit on most revolvers are Remington #10. Size from smaller to larger is: CCI #10, Rem #10, CCI #11, Rem #11. If a Rem #10 is loose, try CCI. If a Rem #10 is too tigt, try a CCI #11.

Fouling doesn't throw the hits that far off that fast, usually stops the cylinder turning before the accuracy is that bad. The wedge may have loosened, or it just needs a larger .454 or .457 ball, . I load a Wonder Wad over the powder and Bore Butter over the ball. Make sure the cylinder is lining up with the bore at every chamber. Make sure the cylinder is locking up, not short or over turning past the barrel.
 

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Navy 44

No Colt open top Navy/Army will take 39 gr of powder. The 1860 will take about 35 gr with no wad, barely. I use the Wonderwad to help scrape the bore, but the Bore Butter over the ball (even melted) softens the fouling. even in the cylinder pin, where stoppages occur through binding. Bore butter up the cylinder pin when you assemble the cylinder before you go shooting. If you disassemble to clear fouling, clean the cyl pin and rebutter it. A Wonder Wad allows a drop of about 5 gr of powder without getting air space in the chambers. I load 30 gr in a Remington 44, 25 or 30 in a Colt 44, Max 35 with WonderWad in a Ruger, which will hold 40 w/no wad.
 

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iv'e used the methods useing crisco and bore butter, and the wonder wads, a couple of other thing to try , if just target practising satrt with a reduced load kike 15 grains 3fg then fille the cavity up with cream o wheat
(dry) and and your ball then crisco or a wonder wad,the problem with pinching the caps can be remadied by a call to dixie gun works and ordering the oversized replasment nipples they offer.
been useing the up above mehod with both ball and connicals and it works the only revolver that i own that does not or acnnot place ,36 cal conicals is a early repoduction of tee 1861 ely witny revolver
 
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