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I just fired the first 25 yard group from my 5" Raging Bull. .780 outside to outside minus .475 equals a .305 center to center group with open sights and Hornady 325 grain factory ammo. I'm HAPPY.
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That is why I love the 480 also. If you reload just wait until you get into the power loads My favorite is the 420 LBT to show my friends what I am shooting :shock: That 325 Hornady bullet is very accurate. I have got the best grups with that and the 390 LBT. Have fun!!!! Hcliff
Did you see that Barnes is coming out with 475 handgun bullet in the XPB? :grin:
Jeff: That's a great group, as in incredibly fabulous. I get happy whenever I see my 44s group anywhere near that. I would frame that target. I'm amazed that a handgun in such a large caliber with its attendant recoil can produce such groups. Will ya stand in for me at the next Silhouette Shoot?
Was that with open sights or have your scoped that handgun? Do you get out to practice much? Some fellas can just about pick up anything and score amazingly with it, they are that good. Others like me have to practice, practice and practice.
What are you planning on hunting with it? This is Mikey.
Was that with open sights or have your scoped that handgun? Do you get out to practice much? Some fellas can just about pick up anything and score amazingly with it, they are that good. Others like me have to practice, practice and practice.
What are you planning on hunting with it? This is Mikey.
Just shot my new Ruger 480 9.5 bar this last weekend. How do you guys get such groups? Mine is scoped, a good 2.5 x 7 T/C lighted, and I can just barely keep it on a 8.5 x 11 target at 50 yards... The recoil is so violent, I am having a problem shooting good groups. Whats the deal??
I use to wonder the same thing. My SRH was more of a spray, much less a pattern or group. Me and handguns need a lot of time together to finally come to agreement that we are going to play well with each other. Then I scoped it with a Leupold 2X and I can now get nice tiny groups. Awhile back on here, someone said to concentrate on the front sight (when using open sights) this info really helped me a lot back then. Tightened the groups way up.
Geno
I think thats the thing with me, I hold small tight patterns with my 629 power port, but we have shot several thousand rounds together, and harvested several deer. I plan on giving it time, as this was the first few shots fired with this pistol, it is brand new, and brand new to me...
I do need to get more practice in the next 4 weeks, just got my January pistol permit!!!!!
I think thats the thing with me, I hold small tight patterns with my 629 power port, but we have shot several thousand rounds together, and harvested several deer. I plan on giving it time, as this was the first few shots fired with this pistol, it is brand new, and brand new to me...
I do need to get more practice in the next 4 weeks, just got my January pistol permit!!!!!
Recoil
Karter: what you just posted is the reason I limit myself to 44 caliber handguns. I've shot some of the larger ones - the folks at my ranges are wonderful guys who will gladly let you share their shooting experiences and toast off a couple of rounds (just to give them a break, I suspect). But I found a long time ago that unless I really got to know the pistol and practiced at least twice a week I simply could not get over the recoil.
Some of these handguns are massive and might be easy to control for a guy with a wrist and forearm the size of my thigh but for me it's too much and I can't do either the gun or the caliber any justice.
You may have hit on your own answer in terms of the amount of practice you need to shoot that gun well.
I made the mistake once of shooting a few 444 rounds from a single shot Whicita (?) pistol and had a hard time buttoning my shirts for the next week. But, the one I wasn't going to go anywhere near was another single shot in 358 that left the barrel 'ringing' after each round. I just knew that one would be too much to even think about.
Isn't this fun. Mikey.
Karter: what you just posted is the reason I limit myself to 44 caliber handguns. I've shot some of the larger ones - the folks at my ranges are wonderful guys who will gladly let you share their shooting experiences and toast off a couple of rounds (just to give them a break, I suspect). But I found a long time ago that unless I really got to know the pistol and practiced at least twice a week I simply could not get over the recoil.
Some of these handguns are massive and might be easy to control for a guy with a wrist and forearm the size of my thigh but for me it's too much and I can't do either the gun or the caliber any justice.
You may have hit on your own answer in terms of the amount of practice you need to shoot that gun well.
I made the mistake once of shooting a few 444 rounds from a single shot Whicita (?) pistol and had a hard time buttoning my shirts for the next week. But, the one I wasn't going to go anywhere near was another single shot in 358 that left the barrel 'ringing' after each round. I just knew that one would be too much to even think about.
Isn't this fun. Mikey.
I have problem with some iron sight too. I can't shoot red ramp sights. I have to change them or color them black. Then my groups shrink. Concentrate is a great word. I have my best groups with hard kickers mid way through a session. Get comfortable with the gun but before I get tired.
Karter
To help with recoil do you use any kind of gloves, PACT, etc? This will help if some of the problem is that you are taking alot of recoil in the palm. Limit your session with the gun. Bring along a less recoiling friend and shoot it in between when you go to the range. The Ruger trigger sometime needs works also. I will be putting in new springs in mine. I can't shoot any where near as well as Jeff . Have you tried groups for just one cylinder. Some guys do that also as one or two cylinders could be more accuarte than others. If you are flinching because of the recoil mix up live shell and empty cases in the gun. It will make concentrate and show if a flinch has developed.
Have fun
Hcliff
I love my SRH. :grin:
Karter
To help with recoil do you use any kind of gloves, PACT, etc? This will help if some of the problem is that you are taking alot of recoil in the palm. Limit your session with the gun. Bring along a less recoiling friend and shoot it in between when you go to the range. The Ruger trigger sometime needs works also. I will be putting in new springs in mine. I can't shoot any where near as well as Jeff
. Have you tried groups for just one cylinder. Some guys do that also as one or two cylinders could be more accuarte than others. If you are flinching because of the recoil mix up live shell and empty cases in the gun. It will make concentrate and show if a flinch has developed. Have fun
Hcliff
I love my SRH. :grin:
Jeff,
I have a Taurus RB with 8 3/8" barrel with open sites. I too was using Factory Hornady ammo with the 325 grain XTP bullets. At 25 yards I had all three bullets TOUCHING!!! :-D
Not only was that a surprise, but also a great confidence booster. I took a 40 lb hog with that same gun and load at about the same distance. The bullet went exactly where I wanted it to go. And guess what? The shot I made on that little hog was WHILE IT WAS RUNNING!!
I just love accurate guns! :-D
Zachary
I have a Taurus RB with 8 3/8" barrel with open sites. I too was using Factory Hornady ammo with the 325 grain XTP bullets. At 25 yards I had all three bullets TOUCHING!!! :-D
Not only was that a surprise, but also a great confidence booster. I took a 40 lb hog with that same gun and load at about the same distance. The bullet went exactly where I wanted it to go. And guess what? The shot I made on that little hog was WHILE IT WAS RUNNING!!
I just love accurate guns! :-D
Zachary
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Those five shots are all I have fired so far. Kinda hate to shoot another group, it takes a lot of luck for me to shoot a group that small with open sights and I'm afraid I used it all up.
The best practice for me is dry firing.
I bought 250 once fired brass today, I'm all set for reloading. Any pet loads?
The best practice for me is dry firing.
I bought 250 once fired brass today, I'm all set for reloading. Any pet loads?
That is a good idea about the gloves, on the way home from the range, I told my son that I would be purchasing a good set of shooting gloves. I bruised the palm of my hand, and even my elbow where it rested on the bench. That is unusual, as I am a big guy, but just not used to that much recoil. As a side note, I used 325 grain Hornady factory loads, 375 grain hard lead handloads, and both 325 hornady, and 325 speer handloads, and found the factory loads to recoil the least. I started with the factory recommended starting loads on each bullet when loading, they do not show any pressure problems, but recoil a lot more than factory hornady ammo...
Doug
I agree that the factory ammo is the lightest recoiling. It chronos at factory spec. Some reloading data is starting there or even higher. Hornady sent me data and it is intresting that they have loads that go to 1600 for the 325. That is a big differnece. For some other loads you can check out http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=000222#000000 PaulH did alot of testing loads here. It is very intresting. If you need any more info give me a shout and I can dig out my Hornady info. I will be palying moire with this caliber. Got to sit at the bench and play some more. I am falling in love with this gun. I have shot 370, 390, 420 LBT and 325 Gold Dot and Hornadys. So far all have been fun.
Hcliff
I agree that the factory ammo is the lightest recoiling. It chronos at factory spec. Some reloading data is starting there or even higher. Hornady sent me data and it is intresting that they have loads that go to 1600 for the 325. That is a big differnece. For some other loads you can check out http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=000222#000000 PaulH did alot of testing loads here. It is very intresting. If you need any more info give me a shout and I can dig out my Hornady info. I will be palying moire with this caliber. Got to sit at the bench and play some more. I am falling in love with this gun. I have shot 370, 390, 420 LBT and 325 Gold Dot and Hornadys. So far all have been fun.
Hcliff
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My son finaly got his SRH .480 back from the factory just before Christmas. They had to replace both the cylinder and the barrel. He has to aim about 6" low (with Iron Sights) to hit the bullseye at 25 yards, while I and his brothers hit where we point. On the other side of the coin, I must aim low with my Blackhawk in .45 colt to hit where I want (with a load of 12 gr. of Blue Dot, 255gr. cast gas check bullet, CCI 300 primer) while my oldest son puts them in a nice little group at 25 yards. Go figure.
Bama Boy,
Some people say that the Rugers are better made than the Taurus RBs. I don't personally own a Ruger, but I have 3 RBs - 2 in 454 and 1 in 480, and I have NEVER had any problems, and accuracy has been outstanding for a revolver. But I'm surprised that your Ruger had to be sent back in order for the barrel AND cylinder to be replaced. What happened?
Zachary
Some people say that the Rugers are better made than the Taurus RBs. I don't personally own a Ruger, but I have 3 RBs - 2 in 454 and 1 in 480, and I have NEVER had any problems, and accuracy has been outstanding for a revolver. But I'm surprised that your Ruger had to be sent back in order for the barrel AND cylinder to be replaced. What happened?
Zachary
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Zachary,
When my son bought it, he told me it shot well, but the brass was hard to eject (from factory loads.) He also asked if I would reload for him. I noticed that some of the brass wasn't quite round and it was very black. We took it to the local clay pit and commenced to have some fun. While observing him fire, I also noticed there was excessive blast coming past the forcing cone. When trying to eject the brass, we had to smack the ejector rather sharply with the heel of our hand to remove the brass. When we got home I inspected the brass, saw first hand what was going on. Three or for of the chambers weren't round, causing the hard extraction and sooty cases. I suppose that may have damaged the forcing cone to the point where the barrel had to be replaced, altho my son didn't show me the paperwork from Ruger. He did say that he tried another box of factory loads and it did as it was supposed to, altho he is having a bit of a time sighting in to his satisfaction. He also said my handloads are doing well, and he has clean brass with easy extraction.
When my son bought it, he told me it shot well, but the brass was hard to eject (from factory loads.) He also asked if I would reload for him. I noticed that some of the brass wasn't quite round and it was very black. We took it to the local clay pit and commenced to have some fun. While observing him fire, I also noticed there was excessive blast coming past the forcing cone. When trying to eject the brass, we had to smack the ejector rather sharply with the heel of our hand to remove the brass. When we got home I inspected the brass, saw first hand what was going on. Three or for of the chambers weren't round, causing the hard extraction and sooty cases. I suppose that may have damaged the forcing cone to the point where the barrel had to be replaced, altho my son didn't show me the paperwork from Ruger. He did say that he tried another box of factory loads and it did as it was supposed to, altho he is having a bit of a time sighting in to his satisfaction. He also said my handloads are doing well, and he has clean brass with easy extraction.
This last year I had my 357 Blackhawk Bisley converted to 480 Ruger. I have had it now for about 4 months. Up to now I have shot only factory loads through it. With iron sights I am running 1/2" to 1" three shot groups at 25 yards. But out at 100 yards I am at 8" more often than 4 or 5 inches. I need more practice. I don't mind the recoil, but the price of bullets is a killer when it comes to practicing much.
I am just now starting to reload this cartridge. I am using some 380 grain bullets from Bonus Bullets and H-110 powder. I think I will start with about 23 grains. This should put it at about 1200 fps out of a 6" barrel.
Any suggestions before I load this up?
Hud
I am just now starting to reload this cartridge. I am using some 380 grain bullets from Bonus Bullets and H-110 powder. I think I will start with about 23 grains. This should put it at about 1200 fps out of a 6" barrel.
Any suggestions before I load this up?
Hud
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Go to www.hodgdon.com and look to see what they have listed, if you haven't already. It may help you.
Tom,
I did use their data to come up with my load of 23 grains for the 380gr bullet. They showed 24 grs of H-110 for the 370gr bullet as a starting load.
Anyway I loaded up two rounds and fired them off. The recoil was noticably more than the 325gr factory loads.
I think my load is hot enough as is even though it is a starting load. My Blackhawk is somewhat lighter than the Redhawk or the Taurus so this load is all the recoil I want to still keep it fun to shoot. The casings extracted just fine and the primers looked.
I'll load up some more and check the accuracy.
Hud
I did use their data to come up with my load of 23 grains for the 380gr bullet. They showed 24 grs of H-110 for the 370gr bullet as a starting load.
Anyway I loaded up two rounds and fired them off. The recoil was noticably more than the 325gr factory loads.
I think my load is hot enough as is even though it is a starting load. My Blackhawk is somewhat lighter than the Redhawk or the Taurus so this load is all the recoil I want to still keep it fun to shoot. The casings extracted just fine and the primers looked.
I'll load up some more and check the accuracy.
Hud
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