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Matt and I started this site in 1997, it began really as just a place where I planned to share my thoughts and ideas on shooting, hunting and the outdoors with whomever might be interested.

Matt assured me no one would be interested. Well he was wrong and this site grew to be one of the largest and most active general shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping and outdoor sites on the the internet. At one time we were in the top one million sites on the entire internet.

We grew large enough that companies began making us offers to buy us out and in a weak moment we accepted an offer from Tactical Republic who was our major advertiser at the time. Contract said I can't say the sale price and even tho they no longer own it I'll honor that still. Suffice to say it was a LOT of money. I thought it would be in good hands at least if not in better hands.

TR left it pretty much as it was and paid me a monthly salary equal to what they had been spending monthly to advertise with us. I continued to be the primary site admin and to deal with members and moderators and in general keep harmony site wide.

Then along came Vertical Scope. I don't know what happened between TR and VS. I'm not sure if VS bought TR or just bought this site or what. Soon tho VS started making changes to the site.

First it was to make this site use same software as all the other sites they owned. Then they decided to change things again and we got this software. I've never been comfortable with this software and today still can't do all the things an admin should be able to do.

Somewhere along the way I got an e-mail one day from some guy who said he was from VS telling me they were cutting my check in half but still expected the same effort from me. Well I loved this site and so accepted the pay cut and kept at it. But I guess I kinda started to give them about half as much effort since I was getting half as much pay.

As time has rolled along those checks are harder and harder to get and now their procedure is just beyond my technical skill level to process the invoice for. Communication from them has become totally one way, down hill. They don't respond to anything I send them. They seem to totally ignore the monthly report I am required to send them about the site and any issues here.

When they changed to this software they also gave all moderators basically admin authority or at least what when we owned this site was admit authority. That being the ability to ban members. That is NOT something I feel a moderator should be able to do. I gave moderators authority only on certain forums to which I assigned them. We had other folks to whom far more authority was granted site wide, those folks were basically admins without the title. Super Moderators they are called now.

To all those who have served as a moderator, global moderator or the new term super moderator I want to thank you for your tireless efforts and yes thankless efforts. Members just don't understand how much you do to keep the site going. I do.

Effective May 1, 2021 I will no longer serve as site administrator here. This is my notice to you the site membership of this. I have yet to figure out the words to use to formally notify VS of this decision. Perhaps some of these words will be used.

Things have gone down hill here for a long time now, ever since VS took over from TR I guess. VS policies and software changes have made this site less usable and to me less interesting and worthwhile. It has just gotten to the point where I do not feel I can continue to go on here as a site official and must give up that authority and revert to just being a member. I won't spend all that much time here. I will still visit from time to time and perhaps post if the mood strikes me.

I will be devoting the vast majority of my efforts to our newer site that Matt set up in 2019 I believe. It is at: Graybeard Outdoors (GBO Reloaded) - Index and I invite all of my internet friends to join me there.

GBO Reloaded is the name and it has no advertising at this time. Matt is paying the full cost of it from his own pocket as I did here early on until we began to have ads. I have had no ownership interest in the site to date but have been serving as the primary admin there in charge of all things I've done here over the years.

If you were a member here as of February 28, 2014 you are already a member there. Matt took the database as of the date we sold this site which was March 1, 2014 and saved it. He has been trying to talk me into us setting up a new site based on it since March 2, 2014 but I resisted because I was taking a salary here and felt an obligation to not take any ownership interest or to push it to folks here.

The site uses the exact same software we used here before we sold the site. If you were a member here before we sold it your account there still has the same password you used then but we can help you if you've forgotten it. I'll prolly lose my go2gbo e-mail address so if you need to contact me doing it at: [email protected] and I'll help you get set up.

Honestly this site is dying, it's just a matter of time. GBO Reloaded already has more traffic and if you do any kind of search for GBO or topics there you are far more likely to be sent to GBO Reloaded than here. The cannon forum, classifieds, mostly TC and H&R classifieds, the PBSF and the political discussion forum are about all that still see posts here. I can't see how VS is even breaking even here based on the level of traffic, maybe they are, maybe they aren't.

It's been fun, I've met and communicated with a lot of great folks here over the years. But it's time to move on. Unless they kick me for posting this I'll remain a member and my status might say admin for some time after my resignation but I will take no administrative actions after April 30, 2021 on this site. I will rarely log in but will still visit some.

It is my fondest hope that as many of you as possible will join us at GBO Reloaded Graybeard Outdoors (GBO Reloaded) - Index I'm not saying to quit this site, I'm quitting it but am not asking you to just to come join us at my new internet home. It is exactly what this site was before we sold it, well minus all the ads we had in those days.

Those folks who are super moderators here are Global Moderators there, folks who are moderators here are moderators there but only on those forums I had them assigned to. There moderators cannot ban a member, global moderators can but rarely do. It is being run as I ran this place before we sold it.
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Best wishes to your future endeavours. I definitely will be checking out the new site.:cool:
 

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Cant find the GBO site Bill mentioned and was routed to some other site:unsure:
 

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Just because Bill isn't administering here any more and is inviting you there, isn't cause to abandon all hope here. This site is still Graybeard Outdoors...2nd Gen., with a post Vertical Scope look, which has been a difficult transition for some. You get used to it not used by it. There is room on the Net for both sites. Visit both...
 

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Matt and I started this site in 1997, it began really as just a place where I planned to share my thoughts and ideas on shooting, hunting and the outdoors with whomever might be interested.

Matt assured me no one would be interested. Well he was wrong and this site grew to be one of the largest and most active general shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping and outdoor sites on the the internet. At one time we were in the top one million sites on the entire internet.

We grew large enough that companies began making us offers to buy us out and in a weak moment we accepted an offer from Tactical Republic who was our major advertiser at the time. Contract said I can't say the sale price and even tho they no longer own it I'll honor that still. Suffice to say it was a LOT of money. I thought it would be in good hands at least if not in better hands.

TR left it pretty much as it was and paid me a monthly salary equal to what they had been spending monthly to advertise with us. I continued to be the primary site admin and to deal with members and moderators and in general keep harmony site wide.

Then along came Vertical Scope. I don't know what happened between TR and VS. I'm not sure if VS bought TR or just bought this site or what. Soon tho VS started making changes to the site.

First it was to make this site use same software as all the other sites they owned. Then they decided to change things again and we got this software. I've never been comfortable with this software and today still can't do all the things an admin should be able to do.

Somewhere along the way I got an e-mail one day from some guy who said he was from VS telling me they were cutting my check in half but still expected the same effort from me. Well I loved this site and so accepted the pay cut and kept at it. But I guess I kinda started to give them about half as much effort since I was getting half as much pay.

As time has rolled along those checks are harder and harder to get and now their procedure is just beyond my technical skill level to process the invoice for. Communication from them has become totally one way, down hill. They don't respond to anything I send them. They seem to totally ignore the monthly report I am required to send them about the site and any issues here.

When they changed to this software they also gave all moderators basically admin authority or at least what when we owned this site was admit authority. That being the ability to ban members. That is NOT something I feel a moderator should be able to do. I gave moderators authority only on certain forums to which I assigned them. We had other folks to whom far more authority was granted site wide, those folks were basically admins without the title. Super Moderators they are called now.

To all those who have served as a moderator, global moderator or the new term super moderator I want to thank you for your tireless efforts and yes thankless efforts. Members just don't understand how much you do to keep the site going. I do.

Effective May 1, 2021 I will no longer serve as site administrator here. This is my notice to you the site membership of this. I have yet to figure out the words to use to formally notify VS of this decision. Perhaps some of these words will be used.

Things have gone down hill here for a long time now, ever since VS took over from TR I guess. VS policies and software changes have made this site less usable and to me less interesting and worthwhile. It has just gotten to the point where I do not feel I can continue to go on here as a site official and must give up that authority and revert to just being a member. I won't spend all that much time here. I will still visit from time to time and perhaps post if the mood strikes me.

I will be devoting the vast majority of my efforts to our newer site that Matt set up in 2019 I believe. It is at: Graybeard Outdoors (GBO Reloaded) - Index and I invite all of my internet friends to join me there.

GBO Reloaded is the name and it has no advertising at this time. Matt is paying the full cost of it from his own pocket as I did here early on until we began to have ads. I have had no ownership interest in the site to date but have been serving as the primary admin there in charge of all things I've done here over the years.

If you were a member here as of February 28, 2014 you are already a member there. Matt took the database as of the date we sold this site which was March 1, 2014 and saved it. He has been trying to talk me into us setting up a new site based on it since March 2, 2014 but I resisted because I was taking a salary here and felt an obligation to not take any ownership interest or to push it to folks here.

The site uses the exact same software we used here before we sold the site. If you were a member here before we sold it your account there still has the same password you used then but we can help you if you've forgotten it. I'll prolly lose my go2gbo e-mail address so if you need to contact me doing it at: [email protected] and I'll help you get set up.

Honestly this site is dying, it's just a matter of time. GBO Reloaded already has more traffic and if you do any kind of search for GBO or topics there you are far more likely to be sent to GBO Reloaded than here. The cannon forum, classifieds, mostly TC and H&R classifieds, the PBSF and the political discussion forum are about all that still see posts here. I can't see how VS is even breaking even here based on the level of traffic, maybe they are, maybe they aren't.

It's been fun, I've met and communicated with a lot of great folks here over the years. But it's time to move on. Unless they kick me for posting this I'll remain a member and my status might say admin for some time after my resignation but I will take no administrative actions after April 30, 2021 on this site. I will rarely log in but will still visit some.

It is my fondest hope that as many of you as possible will join us at GBO Reloaded Graybeard Outdoors (GBO Reloaded) - Index I'm not saying to quit this site, I'm quitting it but am not asking you to just to come join us at my new internet home. It is exactly what this site was before we sold it, well minus all the ads we had in those days.

Those folks who are super moderators here are Global Moderators there, folks who are moderators here are moderators there but only on those forums I had them assigned to. There moderators cannot ban a member, global moderators can but rarely do. It is being run as I ran this place before we sold it.
Agree 100% about Moderators not having authority to ban people. When they get that authority they turn into Internet Forum Nazis, and start banning people who disagree with their views on the world. Not everyone that enjoys the shooting sports is a fanatic hard core right wing sanctimonious idiot! many of us have been shooting for decades and understand that the world is changing and those that do not understand that, and see the changes in attitude and political pressures are destined to fail one way or the other.
 

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Agree 100% about Moderators not having authority to ban people. When they get that authority they turn into Internet Forum Nazis, and start banning people who disagree with their views on the world. Not everyone that enjoys the shooting sports is a fanatic hard core right wing sanctimonious idiot! many of us have been shooting for decades and understand that the world is changing and those that do not understand that, and see the changes in attitude and political pressures are destined to fail one way or the other.
I resemble that remark. Especially the sanctimonious idiot! And the world is changing. Butt. Not for the better.
 

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Cant find the GBO site Bill mentioned and was routed to some other site:unsure:
Try gboreloaded.com
See what ya get...
 

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its been a good ride my friend!! Saddly there letting this place to to **** in a handbasket and the liberals are flooding in. I sure miss the good old days when we talked about guns and hunting with LIKE minded people.
LOL, you are part of the problem not the solution. Its its the sanctimonious self serving attitude like yours that makes people not support the 2nd Amendment.
 

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Thank you for your efforts, I'm already visiting GBO reloaded and like it due to the content and lack of changing everything around with a new format.

I'll be cjecking in here also.

Keep up the good work and be safe, 30cf.
 

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LOL, you are part of the problem not the solution. Its its the sanctimonious self serving attitude like yours that makes people not support the 2nd Amendment.
no you socialists that infected this site is what ruined it, For 24 years it was a peaceful place and i think in that time i gave one warning. We had no trash then. Try your socialists views on the other site and see how long you last. You will find ALL of the posters there believe in what i do and share my values. YOU AND THE OTHER LIBERAL TRASH RUINED THIS FORUM, You wouldnt have made it past 20 post 5 years ago and you would have been pegged as a troll... Sad thing is the new management allows and probably shares your fruit cake ideas of being pro gun. Should change your name to snake in the grass, F-------g liberals!! Real NANCYS boys. comical that you use your vote to promote gun control but lecture ME on the second amendement. Might want to look because you dont have many people who agree with you. I have a full 30 percent more likes on here then ANYONE. Some sure seem to agree with me and would rather see you gone. whats really comical is 35 posts and your trying to make the rules!!!
 

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Agree 100% about Moderators not having authority to ban people. When they get that authority they turn into Internet Forum Nazis, and start banning people who disagree with their views on the world. Not everyone that enjoys the shooting sports is a fanatic hard core right wing sanctimonious idiot! many of us have been shooting for decades and understand that the world is changing and those that do not understand that, and see the changes in attitude and political pressures are destined to fail one way or the other.
your right there, Many of the new members showing up here support anti gun polititians and are thin skinned left wing mama's boys
 

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LOL, you are part of the problem not the solution. Its its the sanctimonious self serving attitude like yours that makes people not support the 2nd Amendment.
Sorry I am from Africa,a bit retarded,can you explain this?
Is this some sorts of new maths? Just tell me how you got to the answer.
 

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I suppose at any given time of day one or the other might be slower. I am assuming you are talking about new posts not the actual speed of server. If speed of server I've not seen a noticeable difference between them. This site likely has more server capacity but it is shared by a bunch of sites. GBO Reloaded is on a dedicated server at Matt's house.

If the comment is in regard new posts, I've been watching that since Matt set up the Reloaded site. To me it is clearly getting more new posts and more new threads per day than this site is. Neither or even both combined are even at 25% of what this site was when we sold it out. Back then (early 2014) we'd have more people online at any given time of the day than both sites combined have all day long now.

Some of that is that Reloaded is still rather new to the world and this site has run off a lot of old members with their policies and multiple software changes. Perhaps an even larger part of it is that folks just aren't doing today what they did back then.

Depending on what your interests are this site or the Reloaded site might better suit your needs. The beauty of the internet is you don't have to choose just one and can visit both or neither as you wish. Clearly the cannon forum here is more active than at Reloaded. Hopefully that will gradually change, who knows. The classifieds, especially the TC and the H&R classifieds are way more active here. I'd say the pot bellied stove forum and political discussion forums are clearly more active at Reloaded and I am not and will not allow the crap that's going on here over there.

It's now May so I have cut ties to this site as far as being an Admin is concerned. I'm just a member no different than any other. Dunno when they will change my status to just show member but I do not and will not again take any admin or moderator actions here as I resigned those duties.
 

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I am sorry to see this site go to evel does, tried to goin the new sight but I am not putter savvy so I cant join DARN IT.
 

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I am sorry to see this site go to evel does, tried to goin the new sight but I am not putter savvy so I cant join DARN IT.
If a dumb ass like me can do it. You can. When at first you don鈥檛 succeed. Well. Ya know the rest...
 

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Prolly the reason you can't "join there" is cuz you are already a member and have been since 2009. I think I recall you have 296 or so posts there already.

I have assigned you a temp password and will send it to you here in a conversation ie a PM. You can log in there and if you need or want to change your e-mail address and also change password to whatever you want it to be.

Wasn't that hard after all was it?
 
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