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An end to running

april 21, 1836
place--a swamp an the converging of buffalo bayou and the san jacinto river West of trinity bay--TEXAS BY GOD
participants-- 1800 of mexico's finest. commanded by santa anna.
900 men of alabama, tennessee, mississippi, georgia, and
other states of the u.s.a.--you may call the TEXIANS. it is
also worthwhile to note and to remember-there were a good
number of mexican nationals--good men-brave men, in the
mix with the texian army.

This, my dear reader, is the end to the running scrape. the Alamo has fallen with all men. Goliad has been taken. The government of Texas and its army is in chaos and retreating.
General Sam Houston has taken the general route to Louisiana by way of the el camino real. santa anna has taken a lower route to block the ports along the coast and prevent escape.
The army, (army?) 800 odd men, wants a fight-they are tired and bitter men-they are almost in rebellion against Houston--they are tired of running.
This running Scrape, as it has come to be known by, has no clear answers--the plan was only known to Houston, and, he never divulged any more than we know now.
Some say he was trying to escape to Louisiana tru Nacogdoches-- Santa Anna was more interested in capturing the Government who he thought would try and escape by boat from a port along the coast. Thus he had split his army and sent general Cos along the coast to prevent an escape by these means. Santa Anna had not feared the Army of Texas--a mistake !
Houston had take a Northern turn when the Army had reached a point Just west of Harrisburg on a road that led to Nacogdoches and camped near what is now Spring, Texas--I say to rest the troops and let Santa Anna pass on by. They did this and entered Harrisburg, which they sacked and burned.
Picture the scenery. Buffalo bayou runs, generally east to west thru Harrisburg, now Houston, with intersecting smaller bayous emptying into it. it is generally coastal plains except along the bayou-this is swamp. Low wet land, snake and mosquito infested. Sparse and rudimentary bridges crossing these bayous. Harrisburg has been burned by santa anna.
The Bayou's made the difference. Running East to West and North to South--the separated Cos's ability to rapidly move to help Santa Anna.
At the convergence of buffalo bayou and the San Jacinto river the terrain is low and gentle rolling--what is out of the swamp is about 10 feet above sea level. the San Jacinto battleground lies on the south bank of the intersection of these two waterways.

Sam Houston knows of santa anna's location and crosses buffalo bayou to the south bank at harrisburg. He makes his way to the convergence of these two water ways and makes camp in the trees and brush below the rise at a location about 600 yards from santa anna. He is protected from sight by the terrain and trees and brush.
santa anna knows he is there and receives reinforcements, his army swells to 1800 men.
Houston does not attempt an attack in the morning of the 21st--he has a war council-reminds all of the Alamo and Goliad--puts two cannon into place-has the only bridge of retreat for anybody burned. Boys this is going to be it--somebody is gonna be hurt and nobody is going home if we lose.
Houston attacks at 3:30 in the afternoon. This is not a battle, it is not real strategic. It is not about laying down a field of fire--somebody is gonna die, it may be me--but somebody is gonna die. There is generally no reloading after the initial charge and the first shots are fired. no six guns or automatics here-no general advance, column after column--it is by God, a rush--it is slaughter--it is vengeance-it is blood thirsty killing.
the battle only last 18 minutes. in 18 minutes 630 fine mexican troops die, mostly eye to eye-hand to hand-by knife, hatchet, club, anything that you can kill with.
the mexicans are routed-they are overwhelmed-they have absolutely nowhere to run except the swamp. they cannot stand under the onslaught-they are disoriented and demoralized. they die in 18 minutes.

TEXAS BY GOD
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april 21, 1836
place--a swamp an the converging of buffalo bayou and the san jacinto river west of trinity bay--TEXAS BY GOD
participants-- 1800 of mexico's finest. commanded by santa anna.
900 men of alabama, tennessee, mississippi, georgia, and
other states of the u.s.a.--you may call the TEXIANS. it is
also worthwhile to note and to remember-there were a good
number of mexican nationals--good men-brave men, in the
mix with the texian army.
this, my dear reader, is the end to the running scrape. the alamo has fallen with all men. goiliad has been taken. the government of texas and its army is in chaos and retreating.
general sam houston has taken the general route to louisana by way of the el camino real. santa anna has taken a lower route to block the ports along the coast and prevent escape.
the army, (army?) 800 odd men, wants a fight-they are tired and bitter men-they are almost in rebellion against houston--they are tired of running.

picture the scenery. the buffalo bayou runs, generally east to west thru harrisbug, now houston, with interspercing smaller bayous emptying into it. it is generally coastal plains except along the bayou-this is swamp. low wet land, snake and mosquito infested. sparse and rudimentary bridges crossing these bayous. harrisburg has been burned by santa anna.
at the convergence of buffalo bayou and the san jacinto river the terrain is low and gentle rolling--what is out of the swamp is about 10 feet above sea level. the san jacinto battleground lies on the south bank of the intersection of these two waterways.

sam houston knows of santa anna's location and crosses buffalo bayou to the south bank at harrisburg. he makes his way to the convergence of these two water ways and makes camp in the trees and brush below the rise at a location about 600 yards from santa anna. he is protected from sight by the terrain and trees and brush.
santa anna knows he is there and recieves reinforcements, his army swells to 1800 men.
houston does not attempt an attack int the morning of the 21st--he has a war council-reminds all of the alamo and goliad--puts two cannon into place-has the only bridge of retreat for anybody burned. boys this is going to be it--somebody is gonna be hurt and nobody is going home if we lose.
houston attacks at 3:30 in the afternoon. this is not a battle, it is not real strategic. it is not about laying down a field of fire--somebody is gonna die, it may be me--but somebody is gonna die. there is generally no reloading after the initial charge and the first shots are fired. no six guns or automatics here-no general advance, column after column--it is by god a rush--it is slaughter--it is vengeance-it is blood thirsty killing.
the battle only last 18 minutes. in 18 minutes 630 fine mexican troops die, mostly eye to eye-hand to hand-by knife, hatchet, club, anything that you can kill with.
the mexicans are routed-they are overwhelmed-they have absolutely nowhere to run except the swamp. they cannot stand under the onslaught-they are disoriented and demoralized. they die in 18 minutes.

TEXAS BY GOD
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williamlayton said:
april 21, 1836
place--a swamp an the converging of buffalo bayou and the san jacinto river west of trinity bay--TEXAS BY GOD
participants-- 1800 of mexico's finest. commanded by santa anna.
900 men of alabama, tennessee, mississippi, georgia, and
other states of the u.s.a.--you may call the TEXIANS. it is
also worthwhile to note and to remember-there were a good
number of mexican nationals--good men-brave men, in the
mix with the texian army.
this, my dear reader, is the end to the running scrape. the alamo has fallen with all men. goiliad has been taken. the government of texas and its army is in chaos and retreating.
general sam houston has taken the general route to louisana by way of the el camino real. santa anna has taken a lower route to block the ports along the coast and prevent escape.
the army, (army?) 800 odd men, wants a fight-they are tired and bitter men-they are almost in rebellion against houston--they are tired of running.

picture the scenery. the buffalo bayou runs, generally east to west thru harrisbug, now houston, with interspercing smaller bayous emptying into it. it is generally coastal plains except along the bayou-this is swamp. low wet land, snake and mosquito infested. sparse and rudimentary bridges crossing these bayous. harrisburg has been burned by santa anna.
at the convergence of buffalo bayou and the san jacinto river the terrain is low and gentle rolling--what is out of the swamp is about 10 feet above sea level. the san jacinto battleground lies on the south bank of the intersection of these two waterways.

sam houston knows of santa anna's location and crosses buffalo bayou to the south bank at harrisburg. he makes his way to the convergence of these two water ways and makes camp in the trees and brush below the rise at a location about 600 yards from santa anna. he is protected from sight by the terrain and trees and brush.
santa anna knows he is there and recieves reinforcements, his army swells to 1800 men.
houston does not attempt an attack int the morning of the 21st--he has a war council-reminds all of the alamo and goliad--puts two cannon into place-has the only bridge of retreat for anybody burned. boys this is going to be it--somebody is gonna be hurt and nobody is going home if we lose.
houston attacks at 3:30 in the afternoon. this is not a battle, it is not real strategic. it is not about laying down a field of fire--somebody is gonna die, it may be me--but somebody is gonna die. there is generally no reloading after the initial charge and the first shots are fired. no six guns or automatics here-no general advance, column after column--it is by god a rush--it is slaughter--it is vengeance-it is blood thirsty killing.
the battle only last 18 minutes. in 18 minutes 630 fine mexican troops die, mostly eye to eye-hand to hand-by knife, hatchet, club, anything that you can kill with.
the mexicans are routed-they are overwhelmed-they have absolutely nowhere to run except the swamp. they cannot stand under the onslaught-they are disoriented and demoralized. they die in 18 minutes.

TEXAS BY GOD
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Thank You!! I was raised around Houston, know Buffalo Bayou and surrounds. I graduated from John H. Reagan Hi School in 1961, yeah a long time ago. Thanks again for the reminder, John.
 

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a good rendition of the battle. if im not mistaken the texans had a lot more to lose than the mexican army. the texans stood to lose everything they had built, friends, family, freedom and property.while the mexican army soldiers were basically forced to join the fight at the tip of a bayonet.slave soldiers do not always fight with outstanding courage.
 

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Deaf Smith was in charge of burning the bridge.
After the initial 18 minutes the Texicans spent some time rooting out the enemy and dispatching them.
As mentioned there were many with Mexican surnames on the Texican side.
Santa Anna was captured and while many wanted to kill him, Houston intervined and got him to declare Texas free--later, back in Mexico city, he would change his mind.
 

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Most people think we stole Texas from Mexico. Truth is, the texicans had sworn allegiance to Mexico, considered themselves citizens, and had protection in it's constitution. Santa Anna threw away the constitution, and with it the rights of those who had cleared the land and fought the Commanche, something Mexico didn't do.

These were men fighting for their homeland....and the many who made the treck south were comrades in arms.

Santa Anna thought he won a battle at the Alamo...instead he inflamed a nation and lost the war. There was a Williamson in the Alamo...distant kin of mine...and another who figured large in the history of Texas and got a county named after him..."three legged" Willie Williamson.

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I have read stories about ol "three legged".
The one thing that set Texas apart from other states was the direct immigration of Euorpeans (German, Chek, Slavs, Poles as well as English) to NOT the US but to Texas.
This left many with more allegiance to texas, as a nation, than to the US---this was important later during the Civil War and made it hard for some to understand the allegiance of Texas to Texas.
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williamlayton said:
I have read stories about ol "three legged".
The one thing that set Texas apart from other states was the direct immigration of Euorpeans (German, Chek, Slavs, Poles as well as English) to NOT the US but to Texas.
This left many with more allegiance to texas, as a nation, than to the US---this was important later during the Civil War and made it hard for some to understand the allegiance of Texas to Texas.
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Yep, and that holds true among 3rd generation Texicans to this day I have found.

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