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I got a flier through the NRA safety instructor program. They are offering insturctors a discount on EAA (Russian IZH) 513 air rifles that are supposed to develop 1000 fps in .177. The price is competitive with some Chinese rifles and some Spanish rifles. But I can't find any reviews on them. I am wondering if they might have better quality control than the Chinese airguns.
 

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I got a flier through the NRA safety instructor program. They are offering insturctors a discount on EAA (Russian IZH) 513 air rifles that are supposed to develop 1000 fps in .177. The price is competitive with some Chinese rifles and some Spanish rifles. But I can't find any reviews on them. I am wondering if they might have better quality control than the Chinese airguns.
This isn't much but a picure and the specs from the factory.
http://www.baikalinc.ru/eng/prod/pguns/mr513m/
 

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thanks for the pic info.

I've found some pictures but haven't found one even listed for sale online. Found a 512 (lower power) but no 513.

Guess I'll keep watching
 

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I bought an IZZY pistol a while back...it's a real tack-driver. I am VERY happy with the fit and finish of the metal...the wood leaves a little bit to be desired, but what the heck, it's secondary.

The only problem I ran into was a screw that worked it's way loose after a couple of hundred pellets. I guess "Boris" forgot to tighten it completly after lunch! :drink4: :)

If the IZH rifles are built like my pistol...I think you'll be happy!

Good Luck with your decision and Be Safe!

...Chris :D
 

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I've found some pictures but haven't found one even listed for sale online. Found a 512 (lower power) but no 513.

Guess I'll keep watching
Just out of curiosity, how much would one cost with the discount? What is you're reason for wanting one?

If it's just the velocity claim, you should be aware that it it is probably based on a very light pellet as most are overblown manufacturers' which are commonly tested with the lightest pellet they can get their hands on(and I swear some are chronying cleaning pellets to get the figures). Such a claim doesn't really tell you much about it's usefulness for hunting unless they tell you the pellet weight the claimed FPS was shot with.
http://www.airguns.net/calculators.html

Also, if you are unfamiliar with spring rifles, you will be rudely surprised as to what you accuracy with it will be since it is no doubt pretty crude. In addition, you won't find any aftermarket tuning parts to improve it's firing behavior.

If you just have to have the power, a better choice might be an RWS 94 which is a Spanish gun(Cometa)which received a top rationg here:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products9.html
It's based in the UK, so some model will have different brands depending on who imports them here and most velocity figures will be for the sub 12FPE permitted without FAC in the UK.

which has gotten pretty good reviews, NOT a Gamo. Before I knew anything about adult airguns, I got suckered into buying a Gamo 890 primarily because they are the only manufacturer that advertized in American Rifleman with an inflated claim of 780fps in .22(and if you pay atttention, also the only ones that get reviewed there and always glowing one). It's a POS and nobody has parts to improve them and if you attempt to tame it youself with a tar tune, you void the lifetime waranty for your efforts. For an air rifle, mine makes a pretty good doorstop and hasn't been touched since I bought a used BSA Supersport with a Synergy tune and a 4x30 AO Sportview for less than I got the POS BSA 890 "combo" for.

I just picked up a Slavia(CZ) 631 for <$80. It's not a "100" fps gun but does ~600 with accuracy. There are two tuners who will tune this gun R.Best and marty at Silver Streak sports. I'lll be paying about $95 for a Best tune on the 631(he also does RWS 94s) which will cost more than I paid for the gun. The RWS 94 like all "magnum" speingers has a pretty harsh firing cycle that makes accurate shooting dificult. The tunes don't increase power(and in some cases may slightly decrease it) but greatly smoth out the firing cycle making it easier to hit what you're aiming at..

They also make a 630 with a smaller different stock for about $15 less. It's real accurate right out of the box(but dry) and is pretty heavy and long for kids but the 630 is the same gun except for the stock, rear sights and trigger adjustment(both can be adjusted but the 631 with a screw in the trigger guard and the 630 you have to take the stock off and move the triggger spring to different notches).
For a detailed review of the 631 go to:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~ispellan/Airguns.html
For a review of the RWS 94

You will probably have much more luck posting your 513 questions at a forum where it is only airgunners, rather than here where most seem to be powder burners who also shoot airguns.
http://www.airgunforum.com/

The general airgun forum is probably where you'll have the best luck asking about a Russian gun. There's also a good link for classified on the page to find a good used airguns.
http://www.airguns.net/class_ad.html

Sorry for being so long winded but I hate seeing somebody make the same costly mistakes I did if I can prevent it.
 

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thanks 22MK1

I'm pretty well up on a number of the good points you made. For other beginners - pay close heed to the post above - he's right. Most advertised airgun velocities are very optimistic.

In my case I have a Beeman R7 - after heeding similar advice as 22Mk1. The R7 is everything everybody says it is, light, accurate, very fun, very well made, and shoots 470 to 650 fps so pretty low powered for hunting.

So I am still interested in a harder hitting air rifle. A knock-around gun would be ok. One that is powerful - in the 800 to 1000 fps range. The NRA offer for certified instructors for a very modest price - can't find the offer now but it seemed worth asking. I have posed the question on the other forum but got no response.
 

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I'm pretty well up on a number of the good points you made. For other beginners - pay close heed to the post above - he's right. Most advertised airgun velocities are very optimistic.

In my case I have a Beeman R7 - after heeding similar advice as 22Mk1. The R7 is everything everybody says it is, light, accurate, very fun, very well made, and shoots 470 to 650 fps so pretty low powered for hunting.

So I am still interested in a harder hitting air rifle. A knock-around gun would be ok. One that is powerful - in the 800 to 1000 fps range. The NRA offer for certified instructors for a very modest price - can't find the offer now but it seemed worth asking. I have posed the question on the other forum but got no response.
Hoo Hoo! Sixty degrees outside today and a new bb gun to play with.

I just got a Beeman sport Aperture today and put it on the Slavia 631 that I bought for $65($77 with shipping). I couldn't get the front sight low enough in the picture to shoot it at 10M(33ft) with the elevation cranked all the way down, so I set the Shoot N See zeroing target at 45'. I was shooting standing offhand and when I walked up to the target was amazed that of the 5 shots I'd taken, four could be covered with a quarter(the fifth was outside the diamond but I could tell that when I let it off). I can't wait to get a smaller aperture for it and try shooting off a rest.
It seems to be zipping the JSB Exacts I purchased with it out there pretty sharply as well although I don't have a Chrony. The manual says 170M/sec which is about 550FPS but the sound of impact at 45' sure seemed alwfully quick and I think it's doing over 600. The gun is so quiet and calm firing cycle(I'm sure due partly to it's relatively large mass). Now, I'm thinking about putting a 4X scope on it because it can outshoot my eyes with iron sights.
Right out of the box when I got it, I set 5 eggs in the snow at 33 ft and busted all of them with 6 shots with the rear blade sight(which the manual said were sighted at the factory at 10M and the trigger set at the heaviest end of it's range).
 

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Have you seen Ian Pellant's review of the 631

Do a search for Pellant Airgun reivews I think. He was equally pleased with the 631. But it shoots about the same power as my R7. I see the price has gone up a little but from everything I read they are very good value. The price sure makes them tempting - guess they are pretty long. I sure like the compactness of the R7 but I could do with a bit more mass for paper shooting. The standard R7 stock is pretty jittery for me.
 

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Do a search for Pellant Airgun reivews I think. He was equally pleased with the 631. But it shoots about the same power as my R7. I see the price has gone up a little but from everything I read they are very good value. The price sure makes them tempting - guess they are pretty long. I sure like the compactness of the R7 but I could do with a bit more mass for paper shooting. The standard R7 stock is pretty jittery for me.
The Pellant Review was one of the reasons I bought my 631 as well as a lot of positive posts on various airgun forums. Actually, the price of the 631 when I bought mine was $35 less than it was when he reviewed it in '98.
It's funny, when I first opened the box and saw the enormity of it, I was wishing I'd gotten a 630 instead but after a couple of days of offhand shooting with it, I'm glad I went with it and I love the flat forearm.
The JM guides for it are no longer available, so I'm going to send it off to Russ Best for a tune since he's making his own guides. Since it's so simple to take apart, I was going to do my own tar/guide tune but with the Best Tune(he's making his own guides for it) it will be silky smooth and putting out JSBs at ~650.
I'm still trying to get used to the teeeny pellets and putting them in the gun but I think this may well become my new favorite backyard Red Squirrel gun because it's so quiet and the pellets won't travel as far as the ones out of my QB(which is quiet enough with the shrouded barrel) or Supersport which are both .22.
My only other .177 rifle is my USSF promotional model Daisy 753 and although it's a pretty anemic 10M gun(525 with Daisy International Match), it's so darn acurate along with being quiet that I've shot more backyard Red Squirrels with it than I can keep track of. The trick is to shoot them at 33':)
I was painting my brother's house a few years back and shot 8 reds off the scaffolding in the back of the house while there is a golf course next door with the green of one hole not 25" from the side of his house with golfers on it constantly and they were none the wiser.

I've got a BSA Supersport in .22 with one of his Synergy Plus tunes and trigger work that I love.



 
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