Do any of you guys know if semi-auto pistols are legal in Tennessee for boar? I am going with my Marlin 1895SS in .45-70, but would sort of like to take my 1911 A1, (45ACP) loaded with the proper bullet along as a "side arm"...
On the preserves I don't think there are any laws to be concerned about. Personally I'd want more than that to be shooting into a hog. The old .45ACP is woefully under powered and lacking in penetration for use on hogs.
Yep, They're legal over here in the "Volunteer State" just make sure they have at least a 4" barrel and are at least .24 caliber. You may want to listen to GB's heed of warning, the .45 might not have enough butt to get the job done. I have a coworker who is an avid pig hunter and breeder/trainer of cattahoula's. We routinely pack pistols when we're running the dogs. A buddy of his was packing a Springfield .45 with 230gr "hardballs" We bayed up a hog and he wanted it as he'd never killed one before. It was actually a pretty good shot, drilling the pig right between the eyes. The hog went down on his nose. All the dogs were caught and tied. We were waiting for one of the other guys to bring the atv to load the hog when all the sudden it started to move, just a little at first. The next thing I knew the hog was back on its feet. Kind of staggering like it was drunk. We were both kind of standing there surprised. Jason immediately put two hard cast .44's in the hog finishing him off. We did sort of a post mortem necropsy and found that the .45 slug just dented the skull, pretty much just knocking it out. In hindsight it all made sense, around here farmers usually pop a hog with a .22 or knock it in the head before cutting the throat and bleeding the animal at the yearly "hog killing" You may want to check with the guide/outfitters as some have minimal requirements for the clients to carry.
Shoot, I'd go ahead and carry it then. I know there's always that peace or mind that you get when you're carrying a gun that you have confidence in. I hope you take it and have a chance to use it. I've finished off a few deer with a Colt mkIV shootin' Federal HydraShok's here and I know it'd be a great story to read about The 1911 Hog. Good Luck!!
A few years back (Apr 96), after I moved to Fl fom Md, my Md buddies and I decided to meet at Clark Range and shoot hogs. The rules of the hunt were pistols only. We got down to only one of us that needed his hog (David). His bullet launcher was a Smith in 44 Mag., but he only had 5 rounds loaded. Since we had our pigs, we left our pistols at the lodge. Needless to say, after he busted the hog, it ran. Took two more shots as it was running, hit it once. With two shots left, after running to the dogs, he missed one, hit one. The hog was down but not out. David was out though (of ammunition) and feeling helpless, knowing he had no back-up. Larry reached in his jacket pocket, pulled out his Commander and gave it to David. One finishing shot did the deed.
As an aside, we had met the previous year (95) with David's father (Rob) along. Rob up and died on use the Feb prior to the 96 hunt. David had given Larry the Commander as a keepsake since Larry had owned it previously. GB, when you get there, ask the guides if they were there in 96 and if they remember a group from Md and FL that took Rob hunting one last time. Prior to arriving at CR, we had loaded shot shells with Rob's ashes. After we got there and before hunting, we found a blooming dog wood tree, had a moment of silence and Rob's son (David), his grandson and buddies, in turn, fired his ashes over the tree.
Just to clarify this whole thing. I think I should have expounded a bit more and explained in more detail what I was thinking before making a post that left way too much doubt in peoples minds. I am using the fairly new .458 Barnes XFN bullet loaded on top of H4198 powder in my Marlin 1895SS... I usually carry as a side arm either of my stainless S&W revolvers. Either my 686 .357 magnum, or my 629 in .41 magnum. However, I have been messing with different bullets in the .45 ACP, one of which is the Barnes expander... At fairly near max velocity, this bullet has proven, at least in my test media, to be really effective. Velocity is enough for the bullet to perform properly, it feeds well, and is accurate. Emphasis needs to be put on the fact that I HAVE NO INTENTION AT ALL of using this for the main shot... only if a "standing there over a not quite dead boar" type shot is needed. Heck, I couldn't hit a bull in the butt at ten feet with the 1911 anyway... :-D Also, to try to use a hardball bullet as mentioned in a previous reply in this thread is absolute folly... especially a head shot... that bullet at its' normal velocity would most likely glance off with a shot like that... And I can tell you from experience that there would be a flat spot on the bullet, but there would probably be very little other deformation... at least at normal velocity. I've shot the .45 ACP for many years with jacketed hardball bullets... and know exactly what they will and will not do. Boys and girls... boar killin' isn't one of them... :lol:
Dave, I have an old book called Handgun Hunting, written by Maj. George C. Nonte, and Lee Jurras written back in 1975. One of the chapters deals with hunting bears and boars in Tenn. The hunt took place at Tellico Jct. hunting preserve back in the early 70's. All three used .45 ACPs. They were experimenting with some ammo called Hi-Vel or something like that from a company that Jurras owned at the time. It was supposed to be a maximum lethality load for the law enforcement market. It was a 190 gr. jckted HP coming out at 1050 fps. from a standard govt. 5" barrel[hey, I'm not makin this up, I'm readin it from the book as I'm typin :grin: ]. To make a long story short, they got their boars, and a bear, but it came down to the same ole thing.....placing your shot right. Besides, Dave you could always climb a tree and THROW the heavy damned thing at him if ya had to!
Well, this is not nearly the big deal it's turned out to be on this thread. I have just been tinkering with that Barnes muzzleloader bullet which happens to be .451 cal. It's quite long for the case, and I had to use interior ballistic software to start working with it, but since it is already designed for lower velocities, I just thought it would be fun to take along... Besides, all I really intended to ask on this thread was if semi-auto pistols are even legal in Tennessee for boar or not... No big deal. BTW, this bullet is WAY outside the envelope as far as loading in the .45 ACP goes, and can very easily go WAY over pressure. Really falls into the catagory of "Don't try this at home, kids"......
Mad Dog, Jurras's company was Super Vel and put out ammo with lighter than normal bullets( at the time) and moved at faster than normal velocity( at the time). Most were intended for police work( the early boxes I remember had a "For Police Use Only" on them. He was looking for the ultimate man stopper and several hunted game with his stuff to prove it's worth, if that makes sense.
Hey there Mr. Ironknees, I been readin this thread, and just got to thinkin...why don't ya just slip up on that ole hog that's layin there and pop him with the Marlin again iffn it moves...hahahaha, seems like a right logical thing to me.
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