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I have a 22 Hornet H&R Topper 58 but I cant get it to shoot good.

Accuracy is about 3-4 inch at 90 yards with 3 shots.

I cant see any pattern in how it hits.

It shoots just as bad with factory ammo as with reloaded.

My reloaded rounds are 8.00 grains Vihtavuori N110 behind a 45 grains Sierra bullet in Winchester cases primed by Winchester Small Rifle primers.

Scope is a brand new Leupold VX-I 2-7x33 that works well on other rifles, mounts are Lynx steel for Weaver, using original Weaverbase.

Please help me out on this one, can it be the fore end flexing..?

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My rifle have serial no AU486XXX, is that old enough for the 223? - I have only tried different 224.

Hodgdon Lil'gun is not imported to Sweden, we only have Vihtavuori N110 and (discontinued) Norma 123.

Hornets are very rare here, due to shortage of suitable powder and very expensive factory ammo, about $1.00 - $3.50/each.

Even brass are rare but can be imported from the US, Norma doesn't make Hornet brass any longer - I try to use Winchester or RWS, the S&B doesn´t hold up to reload, old NOS Norma (if found) demand premium cost. Ten new Winchesters or RWS are $3.20, ten new Normas about $7.50 (if found).

About 2 lbs (1 kg) powder is $57 here, good for 1700 shots, bullets (SAKO) are $14 at 100.

Anyway, the Hornets are very economical compared to other centerfires, even a 50 rnd box of 22 rimfire are $4.30 theise days (CCI Standard).
 

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Your M58 was made in 1980, dunno if that's old enough, but if you can get the bullets, I'd give em a try since you've had no luck with the .224" bullets. Hornets are generally one of the more accurate Handi chamberings. ;)

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I have also heard that the Hornets are supposed to be very accurate, that's why I find it frustrating that I cant get this rifle to shoot straight.

Now I have read the Handi basics and I will try shooting it without the fore end and/or hold the rife as far back as possible with my left hand to see if this improve accuracy.

Thank you all for your input.
 

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The NRA tested an H&R .22 Jet in the mid 1960s. It shot horrible groups but got a little better when they polished the bore with Brobst Bore Paste. I have also seen an older H&R barrel that had a tapered bore. The rifling was ok at the breech but about 6 inches from the muzzle the rifling disappeared.
Polishing your bore might improve the precision.
Be sure you are using the stubby little round nose bullets made specifically for the Hornet. The long spitzer bullets may not stabilize if you have 16" twist rifling.
I have pulled the bullets from . 22 WMR (rim fire magnum) ammo and substituted the Sierra 45 grain Hornet bullets and got much improved accuracy.
You might try seating them long against the rifling too.
 

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I would really like to see you use some different powder. N110 is not the best choice in a Hornet. If that is the only powder you can get a hold of that is suitable for your Hornet, then try this; 45 grain bullet - starting load of N110 - 8.2 grains work up to 9.0 grains in .2 grain increments. This is in Winchester brass and using a SMALL PISTOL[/color] primer. If you only have small rifle primers, drop the starting load by 10% and work your way up in .2 grain increments, but do not exceed 8.2 grains. If you can not find at least a decent load (under 1.5 MOA) after that; you probably have a problem with the gun. I got the above information out of the Speer Manual #14. Good Luck to You

BTW I have found that N133 shoots great out of all my 223 Remington rifles with the exception of my H&R 223 Ultra. I am going to experiment with some slower burning powders there, but have not a chance to yet.
 

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Thats too bad they don't have Lil Gun available in Sweden. Also get a Lee factory crimp die that helped my accuracy quite a bit. I think the Little thin hornet cases don't grip the bullet very tightly.
 

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Be sure to check your muzzle for nicks and dings; if any, maybe re-crown it. Also, I will be sending you a pm in the interest of international relations!! I'm a hornet fan, and my son and I enjoy Swedish Mausers, so maybe I can send you some brass, or other non-controlled "goodies".
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Also get a Lee factory crimp die
I have bought one of those....but to he honest I don't know exactly how to use it.

I reload using a Classic Lee Loader.

Thank you all guys for your valuble opinions.
 

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Have you fired the gun with the forearm off by resting the receiver on the front rest? This will identify bedding problems. If your groups improve, then free float the barrel or try the rubber o ring around the forearm stud. sometimes changing the pressure of the forearm screw can change group size.

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The Lee FCD has to be used in a standard press, won't work with the Lee Loader. ;)

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Have you fired the gun with the forearm off by resting the receiver on the front rest? This will identify bedding problems. If your groups improve, then free float the barrel or try the rubber o ring around the forearm stud. sometimes changing the pressure of the forearm screw can change group size.
I think this is a very good advice and I will try this next time on the range.

Its really a simple gun, I thought not much could go wrong with it...
 

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Simple, yes, most of the time, but not always. I see you found the FAQ thats good, some guys don't get past the little quirks of shooting a handi.

What powder brands do you have good access, I have not had my hornet long and have only used lil'gun, I have read of good results with winchester 296.

What will be the usage of your hornet, targets and or hunting?
 

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The only powder I can get is Vihtavuori, the US powders are not imported here and they are very difficult (expensive) to import as a private person.

I will use it for recreational shooting, some target shooting just for fun and hunting geese, fox, hare and badgers.
 

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I fell in love with my hornet while jackrabbit hunting last year, it is perfectly suited to the task enough range to be useful but not too much power that there is nothing left to eat. Just for reference a jackrabbit where I was hunting them is almost the size of a red fox, how big are your hare's.

As stated above I would try small pistol primers as well,that's all I have ever used.
 

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But the 120 leave more residue in the barrel since it burns slower...?

The hares are about 10 lbs, pretty big...

We don't eat them, its just pest control.

I will try Pistol Primers, different primers are inexpensive and quite easy to find.

Any more ideas...?
 

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I've never worried about what the bore looks like after the shot, just what the target looks like, that's what counts!! ;D

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