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Although I have only heard one man knock the Handi-Rifle, (BTW, this particular fellow is a genuine legend in his own mind.) I have read several irreverent remarks made about the 30-30 Winchester cartridge.

Some younger folks snigger about the 30-30 being "obsolete" and "an old man's cartridge."

Well, I've recently learned that the venerable 30-30 cartridge can be juiced-up in a Handi with hotter loads, and more aerodynamically suitable bullets. Of course, it will never be able to outperform more modern cartridges that are larger, less fuel efficient, and kick like the proverbial mule. But I, for one, don't expect it to, or want it to for that matter.

To all the youthful wonders, and older legends in their own minds, I would have them consider the following fact: A Model-T cannot begin to compete with a Porsche on a modern highway. But a Model-T can scoot down a rutted dirt road while the Porsche will bottom out just past the starting line. Comparably, the 30-30 cannot compete at long range on big game the way a 300 magnum can. Yet, the 30-30 has proven to be a more efficient woodland cartridge on medium-sized game at closer ranges. I can't really explain this ballistic fact. But it does prove that bigger, faster, and sexier is not always preferable to slower, smaller, and less juicy. :wink:
 

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Although I have only heard one man knock the Handi-Rifle, (BTW, this particular fellow is a genuine legend in his own mind.) I have read several irreverent remarks made about the 30-30 Winchester cartridge.

Some younger folks snigger about the 30-30 being "obsolete" and "an old man's cartridge."

Well, I've recently learned that the venerable 30-30 cartridge can be juiced-up in a Handi with hotter loads, and more aerodynamically suitable bullets. Of course, it will never be able to outperform more modern cartridges that are larger, less fuel efficient, and kick like the proverbial mule. But I, for one, don't expect it to, or want it to for that matter.

To all the youthful wonders, and older legends in their own minds, I would have them consider the following fact: A Model-T cannot begin to compete with a Porsche on a modern highway. But a Model-T can scoot down a rutted dirt road while the Porsche will bottom out just past the starting line. Comparably, the 30-30 cannot compete at long range on big game the way a 300 magnum can. Yet, the 30-30 has proven to be a more efficient woodland cartridge on medium-sized game at closer ranges. I can't really explain this ballistic fact. But it does prove that bigger, faster, and sexier is not always preferable to slower, smaller, and less juicy. :wink:
I think the 30/30 will always be with us; it's a absolutely great cartridge. It's been around for 110 years with no sign of going anywhere. It is not so much as what you shoot as how you shoot. I certainly love mine; started my son & grandsons with it.

In this day & age of the Ultra Mags, WSM's, WSSM's, etc I'll stick with my classics: 22LR, 270, 30/30, 30/06, & 45/70. As I get older & the miles longer I use the 30/30 more & more. Dead is dead. The 30/30 is a gun for hunters vs shooters.[/color]
 

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I just love the 30/30 as an all around brush round and anyone that handloads for it can tell you it will do things that most people would be amazed with :)

I use it in my 10 in. contender and my 94 win. plan to get a handi brl. soon.

you can load down for plunking or varmits and up for deer and hogs , just a good all around cartridge
 

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You guys can have the 30/30! :roll: I would take a .35 Rem, 300 Savage, or 45-70 over 30/30 any day of the week. Oh ya, you can add the 45 Colt and 30-40 Krag to that list, too :D

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The 30-30 is one of the Great cartridges...it can work for a-lot of different people...for many different reasons...if you don't need or want a flatter shooting ...harder hitting.....cartridge...that's fine...but for those that do...there are many choices available.

There are several folks who like to post deraugartory things about calibers they don't like here..from time to time...they love bashing cartridges that have proven themselves over the years because they aren't magnum class type cartridges....it makes one wonder if they have ever bothered shooting them...or if all the recoil from all those so-called ultra magnums has rattled something loose in their heads...cause they just don't get it...

I see nothing wrong with shooting those big magnums...whenever or where ever they want to...but there is no reason to start putting any other non-magnum class cartridge down.All of the cartridges have their place in the scheme of things...some better...some worse...some shoot flatter...other have a nice rainbow trajectory...some are rimmed...others aren't...it really shouldn't matter...what does matter is that we all should enjoy what we do...and not just try to start a feued over cartridge choice...

I know I can't change the mind of those I speak of...but I can limit what is said on here about it.. especially...if it's just to start an argument...

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People get all wrapped up in the theory of cartridge selection. Its kind of like comparing which car has more horsepower, when the truth is most of always drive where the speed limit is 60.

I have a couple of Win 94s in 30/30 and I think they are excellent. They do the job on the farm and work well in the bush at the distances I need. At distances greater than the effective expansion I'm not good enough to hit anything anyway, so why do I need an elephant gun.

My $.02 (Cdn).
 

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IF[/color] I ever considered selling some of my Handis :eek: .....the 30-30 wouldn't be one of them!!! It's one of my favorites. :grin:

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The first gun i started deer huntin with was a marlin 336 in 30-30. Its one of the best cartridges ever made and i think everyone should own one. There has been more medium sized game taken with the 30-30 than probably any other cartridge made. Its just a classic that will never fade away.
 

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I've developed two loads for the 30-30 that are accurate, and potent within the reasonable range provided by good iron sights.

Speer 130 grain FBHP bullets over 37 grains of Varget, and BR-2 primers.

Sierra 110 grain FBHP bullets over 34 grains of RE-7, and BR-2 primers.

CAUTION: I worked up to these loads gradually without encountering any indications of excessive pressure. If you want to try these loads, please follow the same procedure.
 

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bashing the .30-30

My first centerfire rifle was a 6.5 jap on a carcano action. In my area of Oklahoma, the long range shots are usually way out to about 50 yards. A lot of hunters take dear at closer ranges. I usually load my ammo down. As for accuracy, a 6 inch group at 100 yards will bring home the game 99% of the time. A lot of folks around here bow hunt at closer ranges. You can use a peice of steel or a rock on a stick, cast lead bullets or modern bullets in an expensive rifle and still be able to miss. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a .30-30. I just recently got a .30-30 barrel for my rifle. It is a joy to shoot. Don't know if I'll ever get to hunt with it. It wouldn't be my first choice for something that may eat me but if it was all I had, I wouldn't hesitate using it on anything in the USA. as with anything, put it where it needs to go.

Take care and God bless.

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Greysky said:
Although I have only heard one man knock the Handi-Rifle, (BTW, this particular fellow is a genuine legend in his own mind.) I have read several irreverent remarks made about the 30-30 Winchester cartridge.

Some younger folks snigger about the 30-30 being "obsolete" and "an old man's cartridge."

Well, I've recently learned that the venerable 30-30 cartridge can be juiced-up in a Handi with hotter loads, and more aerodynamically suitable bullets. Of course, it will never be able to outperform more modern cartridges that are larger, less fuel efficient, and kick like the proverbial mule. But I, for one, don't expect it to, or want it to for that matter.

To all the youthful wonders, and older legends in their own minds, I would have them consider the following fact: A Model-T cannot begin to compete with a Porsche on a modern highway. But a Model-T can scoot down a rutted dirt road while the Porsche will bottom out just past the starting line. Comparably, the 30-30 cannot compete at long range on big game the way a 300 magnum can. Yet, the 30-30 has proven to be a more efficient woodland cartridge on medium-sized game at closer ranges. I can't really explain this ballistic fact. But it does prove that bigger, faster, and sexier is not always preferable to slower, smaller, and less juicy. :wink:
The 30-30 has earned a special place as an excellent deer cartridge and those who have never used it just don't understand. I own a Marlin CS336 lever-action and while it is NOT a tack driver, any deer shot at within 100 yards is venison in the pot. I will always love my 30-30 even if there are 'better' cartridges out there.
 

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I will need to agree with quickdtoo, the 30-30 handi barrel would be the last barrel I would get rid of. The 30-30 will always be a classic cartridge and will be the first caliber I would consider using for any of my deer hunts. :D
 

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I think my handle says it all. I only have four rifles in 30-30 Winchester at this time, but I"ve had break open, falling block, lever, bolt and pump. Any style you like, it's there. Traditional or modern loads, within it's limitations, it'll do.

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I love the .30-30 but I use the .30-30 Ackley Improved so that if someone else ever picks up any of my slightly hotter handloads they won’t chamber in an older lever gun that isn’t up to the task.

The Ackley is easy to cut into a Handi chamber and will still fire a factory .30-30 if you need to buy a few rounds while away from your loading bench. In fact, that is how I fire form all my shells. I just buy up .30-30’s when I find a good sale and have fun shooting them.
 

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The .30-30 is truly a wonderful cartridge, and I doubt it will ever fade away. I have both a 336 and a 94AE, and I will never get rid of those rifles.

Major,

What kind of velocities have you gotten with the .30-30 AI? I've considered buying a Handi in .30-30 just to convert, so it would be nice to hear from someone with first hand experience.
 

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.30/30

Ah, you have to just LOVE the internet!

It's the mythical world where deer are routinely dropped in their tracks at 400 yards and groundhogs are just as frequently plugged at a thousand. Folks rattle off fresh misconceptions and misinformation at 6000 feet per second and all their shots are touching at any range.

Others will debate the most inconsequential details as though they alone have found the fountain of MOA accuracy.

Still more obsess with making the biggest BOOM they can find. The .999 Casull will be the ultimate handgun whenever someone dumb enough to build one shows up.

Does this mean all you read is bunk? Certainly not. I have read considerable wisdom both here and elsewhere on the 'net. But the TRUTH is....

Heck, who knows the TRUTH?

The truth is, poor old Grandpa didn't know diddly squat about ballistics. Didn't have a clue how many FPS his old .30/30 shot. Didn't know muzzle energy from a hollow point. And he and his genertation killed plenty of game. Dead is dead.

You can argue Fords and Chevys all day, but huntin' ain't shootin' and shootin' ain't huntin'. A man who knows HIS gun and can hit what he's aiming at is going to eat.

I saw a friend of a friend who I know considers himself a ballistics expert sit in a $400 tree stand with a $1000 bazooka and a stiff breeze AT HIS BACK blowing straight down his cultivated feed plot and didn't get a look at a deer. When a 16 year old woods-wise son of a good hunter killed a nice doe with a .17 Remington, shot properly from about 50 yards just behind the shoulder, killed her plenty dead. The kid stayed in his stand out of courtesy knowing his deer was down and dead and a wounded buck limped by 15 minuted later. He quickly dispatched the suffering gut-shot animal in the exact same place. (Impressive wound channels from the .17 Remington, by the way)

So put my money on the kid with a hot-rod slingshot and some good sense. The expert's MOA accuracy and ballistics advantage couldn't kill a ballpark frank.

Guns don't kill anything, bullets do.

I'd bet the .30/30 has killed more deer, rabbits, crows, groundhogs, sheep, skunks, elk, bears, ... you name it than all other calibers put together. And it did it all with ballisticlly inferior performance. Poor thing.

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The 30-30 has proven itself a work horse for many purposes. I don't shoot it, but I won't bash it either. Interestingly enough, if I'm not mistaken, it's the ballistic equivilant to the 7.62x39 round.
 
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