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I gave her a good cleaning and went out to the "pit" with LuLu and a box of Remington 405's. My first shot was about a foot and a half below the paper. Did an adjustment and hit the bottom of the page(2). Did another adjustment and was good for elevation but left off the paper. Took three more shots (4) and adjusted the sights again a couple of taps right. Took one more shot (5) and tapped it back to the left and fired the last group (6).

Initial thoughts and musings. ::)
Where has this rifle been all of my life!!!!!!!!!!! Wow! :-*
Pro's -The action cycled flawlessly and very smooth. The 405's are pussycats to shoot (but that might change a bit when I learn how to reload). Accuracy from the stock sights is acceptable for my eyes. I hope to improve on the groups with a good peep sight. I was shooting off the back corner of my truck so I really don't consider it a true test of her abilities. Next time out I'll take my table, bags and rest and give her a good wringing out.

Con's - I hate those stock sights. With aging eyes they are very hard to shoot and bring into focus. They're going and a Williams is going on. The butt plate might be a bit punishing with heavier loadings.... a new recoil pad might be in order for the future. We'll see.

I'm toying with the idea of a 1-4 scope but I think it will ruin the looks of the rifle. I think I will shelve that idea for now.

The first pic is LuLu getting ready for a bath. ;) ;D



and the target.

 

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A Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5X32 or a Nikon 2-7X32 would be my choice. I scope all my Marlins. No need to clean the bore, unless you just like wasting 5 rounds the next time you shoot getting the rifle to settle down. Thanks for the report.
 

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I took a look down the barrell. With the amount of fouling in there I would be uncorfortable leaving it like that for any extended period of time.
Will the zero wander that much from a clean bore vice a fouled one?



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It does in every rifle I own. I clean my barrels once a year right after hunting season with the exception of blackpowder of course. It gets cleaned right away. Cleaning ruins a lot of barrels IMO.

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It does in every rifle I own. I clean my barrels once a year right after hunting season with the exception of blackpowder of course. It gets cleaned right away. Cleaning ruins a lot of barrels IMO.

Mark

OPPS!!!! Now you went and done it. You only clean your barrels once a year????? Me to but I'm sure we may get beaten up some. I just read an artical in American Rifle Magazine about clean barrel vs dirty barrel. Everyone should read it. Your correct when you say " CLEANING RUINS A LOT OF BARRELS IMO".
 

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I clean and lube all my weapons after I fire them. Everyone, everytime. I also run cleaning pad through the barrel everytime before I shoot them. Everytime. I enjoy cleaning them as much as firing them.
I would prefer to ruin my weapons by cleaning them, then ruin them by not cleaning them.

Old school I guess, my Dad would have wooped my ass if he found that I hadn't cleaned one of his weapons after I had used it.
 

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Your dad was right in his day cleaning was necessary. Now it's a waste of time and harmful to the barrel.
 

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Sorry, Swamp, I don't believe for one second that cleaning barrels will ruin them, unless you can post a link to scientific proof of what you speak.

I have a 7mag that I bought in 1984, cleaned it after every firing at the range and after I return from every hunt, and use a dry patch prior to going back out to fire it again. In 1984 it would hold clover leaf groups at 100 yards and still does. I think if cleaning a gun ruins the barrel, it would occurr within 25 years.

I go through the same regiment with all my firearms and have lost no accuracy in any of them.

To each his own, but to state that cleaning, ruins guns, IMO, requires a little back up, other than your personal preference, since all mfgs have instructions on how to clean the firearm and at what preferred interval of shooting.
 

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Read the current issue of American Rifleman. It repeats what I've been saying for years. Cleaning more than once a year is a waste of time and actually harms the barrel by wearing it out.
 

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Lotsa bad info floats around as this thread shows. IMPROPER cleaning ruins barrels. Things such as using multiple piece rods especially aluminum rods can and does damage barrels each year. It doesn't have to but can. Same for cleaning from muzzle.

Still cleaning the barrel to bare steel after each use will prevent you from ever seeing the true accuracy potential of the rifle. Few shoot their best when completely clean and even if it does then do you really want a rifle that is less accurate in real world use? I don't. I clean mine when they tell me they need it. I'd been shooting a pair of .223s a good deal on the range and when accuracy dropped off I cleaned them. One the more accurate of them is still not yet back to shooting as it was before the cleaning and needs a bit more fouling in it to get back to top notch shooting potential. The other hasn't yet proven to be a sub MOA gun anyway but does seem to be doing better now.

If you clean from the breech end, use a bore guide and don't use any solvents that damage barrel steel and don't use abrasives that are too agressive you shouldn't be able to do any real harm to your barrel by cleaning it. But what you really need to do is shoot it enough to learn the accuracy potential of the rifle then you'll know when that accuracy begins to drop off. That's plenty soon to do barrel cleaning in my opinion. Of course weather conditions may require you to do it more often.
 

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Cleaning after each use was brought about by black powder, and then continued with corrosive priming used in the past.

Today, with modern priming and cleaner powders I'm of the opinion that cleaning to past standards is unnecessary.

I was taught to always clean immediately after firing and still feel the guilt when I wipe the gun down and put it in the safe without swabbing the bore.

I no longer clean the bore after each use, but think I may need professional help to deal with the guilt instilled by my father and a few big burly drill sargents.

It's a hard thing to live with, knowing I didn't clean the bore..........
 

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I'm with GB on this to an extent. Improper cleaning will damage a barrel. I saw an old manual for the military showing proper ways to use a pull through. It showed proper as well as wrong techniques. My opinion and it's that, is that leaving a bunch of crud in your barrel for extended periods of time only courts disaster.

If I'm going to shoot it again next weekend I'd leave it. If I'm going to shoot it 6 months from now I'd clean it. ;)

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P.S. I've located some 405's and brass. ;D
 

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Unless I can get to the range to shoot it at least 5-6 shots before I go hunting with it again I wouldn't clean it. Hunting with a clean barrel is courting disaster.

None of my friends that clean frequently can get MOA out of their rifles. Once I convince them to stop cleaning them the rifles settle right down and shoot good groups.
 

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It is funny this discussion is happening over a 45-70. In my experience the smaller the bore the faster you need to clean. A 45-70 with modern components you may never see accuracy suffer.
 

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It is funny this discussion is happening over a 45-70. In my experience the smaller the bore the faster you need to clean. A 45-70 with modern components you may never see accuracy suffer.
Odd isn't it? I just bought this rifle and fired a few shots from a new rifle that was basically cleaned from it's packing grease. Then given a swab or two to get the crud out of it after it being shot.

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I clean mine once aftrer deer season then each time I take it to the range. I do agree with swampy on one point. My 1895gs shoots better after 5 or 6 rounds through her. 8)
 

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Keith said:
It is funny this discussion is happening over a 45-70. In my experience the smaller the bore the faster you need to clean. A 45-70 with modern components you may never see accuracy suffer.
Lead bullets (my reloads) require a a brush and swabbing about every 8 shots to keep the group. Jacketed last until I get done.
 

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Your lead bullets aren't sized properly if that's the case.
 

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Greybeard is right. Improper cleaning can/will damage a barrel.But shooting a bullet down the barrel puts much more wear what with the obturation of the bullet,pressure from the burning powder, and heat. And as far as how often it should be cleaned, to many variables. A barrel that was rifled properly,lapped, either by hand or just shooting and cleaning often enough, will stay accurate to a longer degree. One thing that helps get a clean barrel back to point of aim quicker is to run a couple cleaning patch's with alcohol down the barrel. It helps settle the barrel in faster. (that's denatured alcohol, not the drinking kind) gypsyman
 

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Your lead bullets aren't sized properly if that's the case.
Swampman your not the first to diagnose that. I can get two 4 shot groups without a problem but the 3rd group will open up some and fourth group spreads noticeably.
.460 bullet from ww and Lee lube they shoot 1 1/2" at 100 yards so I leave them alone. A quik brush and swab instead of buying sizer for the bullet and you never know the difference. May invest in the future though.
 
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