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I have been casually looking for a Civil war, Napoleonic war, Indian war cannon for the last 5 years. A project to restore and for yard art at my house. Living in NM there was not much around and really didn't want something fake looking. Well I finally pulled the trigger on a cannon on eBay with basically very little knowledge about it, and the seller said they knew nothing about it either being it was from a estate sale. Irregardless of what I find out about it, I am happy with the look and cant wait to get started on restoring it.
The Uship guy is delivering it hopefully at the end of this week and then I can get some better pictures. 2.5" barrel. I did research the axle and it appears to be made by a company post civil war.
Anyhow, here is a picture. If anyone has any thoughts on it, or experience with it, I would love to hear what you got to say. Thanks. Paul
 

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Definitely post more pictures. That's an unusual carriage design, at least it is to me. Is the barrel rifled? At 2.5", that would be roughly a 2 pounder, if smooth bore. Rifled would be bigger of course.

Any markings on the barrel or trunnions?
 

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I've seen that axle and hub arrangement here earlier, the axle at least needs reworking. Thank you for sharing your find and yes, more pictures!
 

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Cannon project starts today

Been casually looking for a cannon the last 5-6 years. Live in NM so not much locally and never pulled the trigger on one till last week. Looks like decent condition, but, still in need of a restoration. Wanted something from between Napoleonic wars to N. American Indian wars. I have no details on this cannon, but , pretty sure a replica because it has hex nuts on it.
Anyone have any experience or recognize the type of cannon I would sure be interested in hearing what you got to say.
 

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I've never seen a ring riveted onto the lunette like that, but there are people here who know far more then I do or probably ever will.
 

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Definitely post more pictures. That's an unusual carriage design, at least it is to me. Is the barrel rifled? At 2.5", that would be roughly a 2 pounder, if smooth bore. Rifled would be bigger of course.

Any markings on the barrel or trunnions?
So far no. Just got it this morning and have not spent much time with it except to pb blaster on the nuts. Lots of rust. There are some square nuts and some hex. The axle I did get some info from the print on it and I am pretty sure post civil war. Because of the hex nuts I am thinking a replica, but, I know there were machined threads in 1800s.
The bore is in bad shape with rust, and I doubt there is rifling and if there ever was it is gone now. Some type of epoxy or something over the touch hole.
Having a hard time posting pics on this site, but, will take another run at it.
 

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Cannot help. But it is kinda a Cool Gun. I like it just as it is. Instead of a complete restore to look new. I think I would just find a way to coat it/preserve it from further deterioration. And leave most of the Patina as is. Maybe some light cleaning, and a generous coating of Linseed oil on the whole thing and as needed afterwards. I think extensive restoration would drop the value considerably if you ever decided to part ways with it.


But I realize not everyone thinks like me, and it is not mine,LOL Either way have fun with it, that is the important part. I really like it.


Sorry forgot.


Welcome to the Forum also. You will get a lot of good help here I am sure.
 

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That definitely seems pretty overbuilt with the bore diameter to OD ratio, especially for a 2.5" gun. Not sure if there is an easy way to check the integrity of the barrel, but if it is in good shape and just a bit rusty, you might be able to get it shooting.
 

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In my opinion it is mid-20th C, almost certainly a one-off. I haven’t seen anything much like it. For whatever that’s worth. But it is pretty clear that the builder combined “found” items to make the carriage. I hope you can find someone knowledgeable to check out the tube to see whether it can be fired or not.
 

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In my opinion it is mid-20th C, almost certainly a one-off. I haven’t seen anything much like it. For whatever that’s worth. But it is pretty clear that the builder combined “found” items to make the carriage. I hope you can find someone knowledgeable to check out the tube to see whether it can be fired or not.
How would an expert determine the barrel is safe? Do they just scope it and visually inspect or is it mag-na-fluxed or x-rayed ? Just wondering.
 

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If I were home I would go dig out my copy of Switlik's The More Complete Cannoneer. I think he has a chapter on Barrel inspection. But I not home right now so I can't go look.

Seems to me that chapter included instructions on how to make an inspection mirror.

Oh I wish Switlik would reprint that book.

Problem with a mirror of a borescope anybody can run one down a bore, but not very many people know what they are looking at.

I agree with Cannonmn about this cannon. If that is a 2.5" bore, this is a monster gun.
 

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Help identify cannon I just bought

I have a post already about cannon, but, really trying to figure out its origin, so thought new thread may get some ideas.

I am already leaning towards this being a replica for several reasons. Lots or ornate extras I would not expect on a military cannon, some hex bolts and some square, and small diameter barrel with no rifling.

I have been looking at cannons on google every night and I have yet to see one with these wheels on the train like this one. I would not think they would be very practical in the field (another reason I think its a replica)

Has anyone seen a cannon with similar wheels on the train like this. Thanks
https://www.go2gbo.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=240390&stc=1&d=1579999288
 

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What happened? I did a detailed post on his other thread and poof it is gone, oh well, I’ll summarize it. Weigh tube, get tube displacement in water, divide, have the S.G., if less than that of cast iron, tube not shootable. The muzzle face looks to be separate plate, there’s a joint behind it where a possible pipe joins it. The non-visible volume of the tube may be hollow, and the S.G. Number will show that. Don’t try and shoot it until you are sure I’m wrong about the tube Being a hollow decorator yard cannon.
 

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You are already getting answers and second post isn't going get different answers. I merged your two Post together so all the information is on one spot and easier to find for researchers.

It is not an original Civil War, Napoleonic War or Indian war gun in anyway, shape or form.

This is a very interesting gun that someone put a lot of work into. The size and detail indicate something thing more th a garage hobbyist effort. It appears the barrel was acquired and then the carriage was built for the barrel.

Look under those caps on the end of the trunnions for markings.

The bore diameter to muzzle diameter says modern made, that jumps out at you. The Archibald hub wheels where used late 19th century early 20th century for supply wagons and artillery. The only example I could find had rubber tire not steel

http://www.hansenwheel.com/store/archibald-bolt-hub-wheels-4829.html
 

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You are already getting answers and second post isn't going get different answers. I merged your two Post together so all the information is on one spot and easier to find for researchers.

It is not an original Civil War, Napoleonic War or Indian war gun in anyway, shape or form.

This is a very interesting gun that someone put a lot of work into. The size and detail indicate something thing more th a garage hobbyist effort. It appears the barrel was acquired and then the carriage was built for the barrel.

Look under those caps on the end of the trunnions for markings.

The bore diameter to muzzle diameter says modern made, that jumps out at you. The Archibald hub wheels where used late 19th century early 20th century for supply wagons and artillery. The only example I could find had rubber tire not steel

http://www.hansenwheel.com/store/archibald-bolt-hub-wheels-4829.html
Thanks for combining posts, was not seeing replies, and now this evening seeing all of them. I guess no email notification.
I agree not a military cannon. Maybe some kind of ceremonial or replica of some kind.

The wheels on the train. Do they mean anything to you. I cant find anything similar at all on the internet. Thanks
 

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https://www.go2gbo.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=240502&stc=1&d=1580127600https://www.go2gbo.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=240504&stc=1&d=1580127627
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Picture of homed bore cleaner I made after racking my brain with amazon trying to figure out how to clean out the bore that was filled with rust and chipmunk stash

This is where I need some help. this looks to me like a threaded insert for the touch hole. I am only about 60% sure it is a threaded insert. Would this mean barrel is NOT cast iron????

The insert was covered with and epoxy I believe to protect it. This is all my supposition. I would really love to hear from someone with experience with how these barrels are put together.

There was a small shard of metal when I scraped away the epoxy. It had to be bent with my fingers 3-4 times before it would break off. This is not how I understand cast iron works. I could be wrong about this. love to hear anyones prior knowledge or experience. I am not new to restoring items, but, I am new to cannons.
thanks in advance
 

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Not sure how much more time and effort you want to spend working on these details, up to you of course. I’m almost positive the tube is hollow between the pipe-bore and the outer wall of the tube.

What you want to do is dismount the tube and weigh it. Then measure the outside dimensions of the tube, approximately. Then get a friend who is good at math to calculate the tube outside volume in cubic feet. Then subtract the bore volume. Then divide weight by volume to get density in say, pounds per cubic foot. If piece is real cast iron the number should be about 490 lbs/ft3. If it is way less it is hollow.
 
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