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Have we? Didn't find it in the search. If so, please feel free to link me to it.

If not ... its all over youtube now. Democrats are calling it a loophole that needs to be tightened, a glitch. Its a Constitutional Amendment folks, not an IRS or BATF regulation.

Remember when Clinton told Biden, do not concede? Very specific word: concede.

The concession speech is not legal, it's a tradition, typically used to inform one's supporters to stand down. Clinton told Biden that in the event of a contested election where he was on the short end, he should not concede.

Turns out Trump is the one who heard her advice; actually his legal team was already very familiar. (BY THE WAY did you notice all 3 of his SCOTUS appointments were on Bush's legal defense team for the 2000 election?)

Anyway, if a Presidential Candidate does not concede, which in a situation where there are 6 contested states where the count is actually within 1% of each other even before you remove illegal votes, it goes to the House of Representatives to elect. The popular election is considered moot at that point, electoral college is a non-entity.

Oh no, the House is ran by Democrats! Fear not, in the 12th amendment, each state only gets 1 vote. 50 votes total, DC has no vote. So even a small state gets the same vote as a large state (check and balance). There are 37 red states in the House ... Trump wins 37 to 13.

Its happened twice before in history. If they can't sort out the voter fraud issues, the software glitch issues, Trump can simply not concede and the 12th is in effect. Its his option though, not automatic.

Interpretation of the 12th is not in dispute; Democrats are very familiar with it and have stated there is no wiggle room here.
 

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What’s there to talk about? Trump wins. Done deal.
 
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(BY THE WAY did you notice all 3 of his SCOTUS appointments were on Bush's legal defense team for the 2000 election?)
I did not know this, very interesting!
 

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It’s not over yet even if some useful liberal tools think it is.
 
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All trump has to do is to not concede. It has been done twice before. In the event that the election is irredeemable due to massive voter fraud, or foreign interference, of which has already been established, and the President refuses to concede the election, the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state gets one vote. Game over. Some states will not certify anyway due to the massive fraud, but it does not matter anyway if Trump does not concede. That is the law, and it is there for a reason. To hold the country together in the case of massive interference in an election from either foreign or domestic enemies.
Trump knows this, and so do the people who tried to steal the election. This is a far better option than splitting the country into pieces. No government could survive 80 million people who considered that government illegitimate, especially in an armed Republic this size. The founders knew this would happen, and it already has twice. This law is a far better option than decades of internal war and states leaving the Union. We can always fix the election process and hold people accountable later, but first, you need a country or there is nothing to save.
We elected this man as an outsider and sent him to Washington to break up their little party. It was never going to be pretty. This is what it looks like. Trump is only one man. All he could ever do was shine a light and expose the corruption. Now we have seen it. The rest is up to Americans. Only Americans can repair this country now. Should the government fail in its duty to protect and defend the Constitution, our rights and our freedoms, that duty falls to the citizenry. Looks to me like the government just gave us a job to do...
Repair and take back your communities at the local level, than the state. That is how the country was built and that is how Americans will save it. Forget about trying to repair the federal government. It needs to be be left on its own to eat itself and self destruct. They will do that to themselves the same as the Soviet Union did.
 

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With all respect, ole timer, it turns out there was no massive election fraud. This has been established by all the legal challenges that failed and by admission of Trump's own Homeland Security head. We need to get off this ridiculous conspiracy theory whose effect is to undermine what was an honest election where there was a definite winner and a definite loser. Let us all base our positions on what the facts are - not on wishful thinking and repeating disproven fallacies- and move on. That's how you keep America great.
 

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With all due respect. This is just a snickers bar. Hold your nose and bite down.
 

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Cheer up, Capt., last time it was only a handful of Russians with a few Facebook adds that overthrew an entire US election, or at least that's what you people told us everyday for nearly three years until we found out it was only the DOJ, FBI, several intelligence agencies, and the entire western "news" network. Guess this time the US elections are completely "secure" now eh? Peddle that stuff somewhere else Capt., these folks were busted by the Math. Mathematics is brutal ain't it? It never lies.
With all due respect, The Capt, there is plenty of evidence of massive voter fraud, as it "turns out" in your words, and the beauty of the 12th Amendment is that Americans do not have to rely on a corrupted court system, the government "news networks" or any corrupted federal agencies that are part of the coup. :)
Trust me, this will be much better than splitting the nation into pieces, or trying to fight a decades long internal war. That is why this law exists. Not much anyone can do about it, unless they want to take on 75-80 million Americans. Course, they can do that too, if they want to.
 

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Ole timer, you and all your Dump lovin chronies have a rude awakening coming on 1/20/21. I'll be sure to come back and remind you of it.
 

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Ole Timer - In 2016 the left complained about why people voted as they did because of Facebook and interference by the Russians. The only accusations in 2016 of voter fraud were by the guy that won, and it turned out there was no voter fraud. In 2020 the right complains about how the vote was counted, and once again it turns out there was no voter fraud. One thing has nothing to do with the other. There was no voter fraud for either election. Math is math. Trump lost the popular vote by three million in 2016. He lost the popular vote by over five million in 2020. Biden was by a landslide. How do we know that? Because Biden will have 306 electoral votes when the states certify their respective elections and the electoral college votes, and coincidently, Trump had 306 electoral votes in 2016 and he proclaimed that to be a landslide. As to the 12th Amendment. It will never be invoked in this election; it is invoked only when the electoral college doesn't elect someone with a majority of the electoral votes.
 

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We all know this has been a huge corruption of our country. Not yours...
 

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We all know this has been a huge corruption of our country. Not yours...
Believe whatever you wanna believe but Joe Biden has been elected POTUS of YOUR country and it wont be long before you wont be able to deny it any longer. Buckle up snowflake, its gonna be a long 4 years. Minimum.
 

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The thing about democrats. When they talk you know they are lying, Immoral, propaganda pushing machines fed by there handlers. Sorry. We aren’t biting into your view of America. Maybe You all should read the constitution and the bill of rights? Where should I send the dictionary? In rustys case I know. Tenesee... Am I wrong Bill?
 

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I just ignored the captain of liberal propaganda also. Ahhhh...
 
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Ole Timer - In 2016 the left complained about why people voted as they did because of Facebook and interference by the Russians. The only accusations in 2016 of voter fraud were by the guy that won, and it turned out there was no voter fraud. In 2020 the right complains about how the vote was counted, and once again it turns out there was no voter fraud. One thing has nothing to do with the other. There was no voter fraud for either election. Math is math. Trump lost the popular vote by three million in 2016. He lost the popular vote by over five million in 2020. Biden was by a landslide. How do we know that? Because Biden will have 306 electoral votes when the states certify their respective elections and the electoral college votes, and coincidently, Trump had 306 electoral votes in 2016 and he proclaimed that to be a landslide. As to the 12th Amendment. It will never be invoked in this election; it is invoked only when the electoral college doesn't elect someone with a majority of the electoral votes.
There is ALWAYS voter fraud. In 2016 there was just not enough to put Hillary in. They did not expect Americans to vote for Trump. I'm not even going to get into an argument over who interfered with the 2016 election. Enough documents have been released and declassified by now so pretty much everybody knows it was our own government that interfered with the 2016 election. They pretty much shut down the government for four years trying to remove him.
What happened in the 2020 election has been analysed by experts all over the country, including experts from MIT who do this for a living. It is mathematically impossible for a candidate to be trailing by millions of votes in several states with 65% of the vote in, all those states to shut down at once, and mysteriously suddenly add millions of votes to ONE candidate in a few minutes. It is impossible for entire districts to vote 2 to 1 for Republicans every year, and mysteriously vote democrat 2 to 1 with over 100% of registered voters. Besides that, enough election laws were broken to render the election useless anyway without the obvious math. Ballot dumps after the legal deadline, ballot images on the dominion software deleted, poll watchers not allowed to observe or completely kicked out of the building, seals broken on the ballot counting machines rendering the recounts worthless,...I could go on, but what for, there are affidavits, videos, whistle blowers, everywhere. This is all common knowledge.
During the recount for Hillary in my state, dozens districts were thrown out because of ballot stuffing. The recount was called off because she was losing so many votes. My state actually has a law protecting fraudulent ballots if discovered during a recount. If the recount is stopped, the fraudulent ballots still count. Hillary never won the popular vote in 2016. She won the fraudulent vote. Please spare the "there is no fraudulent elections in the US" routine. That is what the US government does for a living, both abroad, and here in the states.
Biden has not been certified in any US state as of this time. He was not elected by the American people. If the deep state installs Biden like they do in foreign countries, the country will split apart. No government can survive if the majority of it's citizens consider the government to be illegitimate.
It doesn't matter what the US "news agencies" say about this, it sure doesn't matter what the federal government says, they lied to us for four years about Russia, and it doesn't matter what you or I say. If the majority of this country does not trust this election, or the government that screwed it up, that's gonna be the end of it. America will not recognize an illegitimate government nor follow any laws it makes.
That is why we have these checks and balances in the Constitution in the event that government and its courts become corrupt.
 

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No. There going to come for your AK or AR15 while they have enough arsenal to blow the world up a hundred times. What is the problem with that? I think we should hand over our small arms so that (they) have absolute,unobstructed control...
 

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OP..... Did not know that, thanks for the info. There’s hope yet.
 
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There is ALWAYS voter fraud. In 2016 there was just not enough to put Hillary in. They did not expect Americans to vote for Trump. I'm not even going to get into an argument over who interfered with the 2016 election. Enough documents have been released and declassified by now so pretty much everybody knows it was our own government that interfered with the 2016 election. They pretty much shut down the government for four years trying to remove him.
What happened in the 2020 election has been analysed by experts all over the country, including experts from MIT who do this for a living. It is mathematically impossible for a candidate to be trailing by millions of votes in several states with 65% of the vote in, all those states to shut down at once, and mysteriously suddenly add millions of votes to ONE candidate in a few minutes. It is impossible for entire districts to vote 2 to 1 for Republicans every year, and mysteriously vote democrat 2 to 1 with over 100% of registered voters. Besides that, enough election laws were broken to render the election useless anyway without the obvious math. Ballot dumps after the legal deadline, ballot images on the dominion software deleted, poll watchers not allowed to observe or completely kicked out of the building, seals broken on the ballot counting machines rendering the recounts worthless,...I could go on, but what for, there are affidavits, videos, whistle blowers, everywhere. This is all common knowledge.
During the recount for Hillary in my state, dozens districts were thrown out because of ballot stuffing. The recount was called off because she was losing so many votes. My state actually has a law protecting fraudulent ballots if discovered during a recount. If the recount is stopped, the fraudulent ballots still count. Hillary never won the popular vote in 2016. She won the fraudulent vote. Please spare the "there is no fraudulent elections in the US" routine. That is what the US government does for a living, both abroad, and here in the states.
Biden has not been certified in any US state as of this time. He was not elected by the American people. If the deep state installs Biden like they do in foreign countries, the country will split apart. No government can survive if the majority of it's citizens consider the government to be illegitimate.
It doesn't matter what the US "news agencies" say about this, it sure doesn't matter what the federal government says, they lied to us for four years about Russia, and it doesn't matter what you or I say. If the majority of this country does not trust this election, or the government that screwed it up, that's gonna be the end of it. America will not recognize an illegitimate government nor follow any laws it makes.
That is why we have these checks and balances in the Constitution in the event that government and its courts become corrupt.
All excellent points.
 
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OP - sure hope you're right!!!

The whole "concede" thing is another example of the extreme hypocrisy of the left. Everyone knows Clinton told Biden "Do not, under any circumstances, concede". Now that their ballot stuffing scheme didn't work as well as they'd hoped, they are doing their usual hypocritical howling because Trump is doing the same thing.
 

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For the claims of not being any voter fraud ... arrests are being made all over the country for voter fraud. Dominion software with a possible 2.8 million votes in question, is still under investigation. Several states have open investigations, which are independent of anything the President's legal team has filed. They have until 8 December to reconcile and provide an answer to Congress for any descrepancies.

Fact remains, per our national law, which you cannot subvert just because someone on TV says so, the states will certify their votes on 14 December, and electors will report the vote on that day. It is on that day, and not until that day, when the winner of the election will be declared, and legally things like transition should begin. That anyone at any time has ever done it a different way was not because of the law, but because of mutual respect, which the DNC has not shown Trump since he stopped being one of their donors. After harassing him with baseless attacks his entire presidency, and calling his supporters anything but a child of God, threatening them with rape and murder, and now compiling a list for retribution, I fully expect him to pursue all legal means of contest.
 
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