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You would never know this monument was constructed of a real cannon unless you looked closely. The way I found this was during research of a model of this cannon that I've had for some time. The same model I have is pictured in the famous Brown collection catalog, bottom of pp. 39. The Brown collection catalog is a great reference for small, original bronze cannons (and a few larger ones.) The model is 21 3/4 inches long and is made on a scale of one inch to the foot (that's engraved on it in French.) So the original barrel that was made into this monument in Brest is 21 3/4 feet long if I'm not mistaken. The model's barrel weighs 15 lbs. and is bored out per the real one. I plan to post pix of the model when I get a chance.

http://translate.google.com/transla...e+canon+algers&hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS339US339
 

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Sorry 'bout the add-on thing, my computer didn't do anything unusual when I went to it. Maybe it will self-destuct later who knows.

Anyway here's a site that should be safe enuf, with pix you can expand by clicking on them. The people in the foreground give a better idea of the size of this gun. I'm a bit surprised I've never seen pix before, in all the time I've been chasing cannons. Maybe that's because this gun is on a French military base not open to the public except on certain holidays, such as when these pix were taken.

http://translate.googleusercontent....le.com&usg=ALkJrhiczgR8nj2pyEdFQD2b6scDB5TImw

 

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Thanks for the warning!

I get a kick out of the losers asking for their toys back more than a 100 years later....... to the victor go the spoils..........

If you don't want to lose stuff don't get into a war and lose.

there are too many countries getting a pissy crybaby attitude about what was taken as war prizes that need to be returned.

where will it stop?
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I guess that even after all the years that have passed, some bad blood still exists between these two former combatants. The Algerian who wrote this has an amusing way of expressing himself.


You see on the opening of the canon on the top they put a french chicken, oh sorry ... it is a rooster. With such bad company, no doubt our canon must feel humiliated and terribly lonely there. It is more than time for it to come back home under the blue sky of its beloved city: Algiers.
If anyone lives near the city of Brest please go there and take photos of our Baba Marzoug. Tell him we still remember and will never forget.
 

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Here's a small pic of another model of the gun, which I found on a website. The caption indicates the model is displayed in the Navy Museum in Paris. I have the catalog which has no photo (in my edition of the catalog anyway) but has a good description, item 814. Here's the pic from the web-I suspect the barrel is the same but carriage differs. This picture has to be pretty old because it is in black and white, and also the museum catalog number is different.

 

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when I looked at that photo it remained me about something very very odd that I have
sorry I dont remember the name of the monument , but it was cast from war trophy bronze cannons that the germans got from the danish somewhere in the early 1800, so its cannon related ;D
I got a small copy of that monument , just an ordinary tourist souvernir if it had not been for the date
its dated : berlin 1945
I dont know much about the monument , but I sure know that berlin in 1945 wasnt any ordinary place for tourists to visit .
there wasnt any town left , just a pile of gravel
so the question is , what is this ??
 

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You have a model of the Siegessaule, or "Victory Column", or known to the Berliners as "Golden Lizzy".
Its in the Tiergarten in what was West Berlin, on a traffic circle, about one mile west of the Brandenburg Gate.
It was designed and built 1860-1870 ish.The very wide street that it sits on was left almost untouched by
bombing raids, and as such it was used often by small aircraft to get in and out of downtown Berlin,
up until the very last days of the war.
My question about the little 'Lizzy" is this. What war relics were melted down to cast what looks like a
bronze or copper copy of the big "Lizzy". In 1945 Berlin I dont think newly smelted metals would have been
wasted in a toy statue.You may have a recast peice of history.

Fooler
 

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Slideshow of "Consulaire" model. Measurements: Bore 1.06 in. dia. Barrel length: 21.87 in. Weight: 26,714 lbs. (oh no, that's the original) The model's barrel weighs about 15 lbs.

The part of the engraving you can't see on the basering is the last part of the date, 5 July 1830, which I think is the date the original was captured.

http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b.../consulaire/?action=view&current=74698180.pbw
 

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A very nice model, it appears the Craftsman had no Idea what the carriage looked like, I wounder about the oriental brass work on the sides of it.[/color]
 

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it appears the Craftsman had no Idea what the carriage looked like,
I never liked that carriage either, no idea who made it nor when. It is unique however and since it is pictured in the Brown catalog just like you see it there, it fills in a part of the recent provenance of the model.

I saw the Brown catalogs for sale on evil-bay or somewhere (Gunbr?) for $15. If they are original on slick paper and not reprints that's a good price, lots of good info and examples in that book. It doesn't always identify them correctly but often gives the marks, which makes it worth its weight in platinum for me.
 

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welcome to the board fooler
yes you are probably correct there
bronz or brass must have been almost as rare as gold in berlin at that time
It would be lovely if this little piece could talk

is it anyone who got any ideas or wild guesses on this one ??
Im sure it aint any normal tourist piece
but who bought it will probably forever been unansvered
 

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That long cannon could be used to ........well "Make Statesmen from politicians"

Maybe call it "Martyrmaker" :D (however it would be spelled !!!)

They go in as politicians and then by shear magic when they come back to earth they are Statesmen ....

WIN,WIN ;D
 

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dan610324 said:
when I looked at that photo it remained me about something very very odd that I have
sorry I dont remember the name of the monument , but it was cast from war trophy bronze cannons that the germans got from the danish somewhere in the early 1800, so its cannon related ;D
I got a small copy of that monument , just an ordinary tourist souvernir if it had not been for the date
its dated : berlin 1945
I dont know much about the monument , but I sure know that berlin in 1945 wasnt any ordinary place for tourists to visit .
there wasnt any town left , just a pile of gravel
so the question is , what is this ??
dan610324 said:
welcome to the board fooler
yes you are probably correct there
bronz or brass must have been almost as rare as gold in berlin at that time
It would be lovely if this little piece could talk

is it anyone who got any ideas or wild guesses on this one ??
Im sure it aint any normal tourist piece
but who bought it will probably forever been unansvered
Dan,
There would have been a good number of tourists in Germany at that time (1945). American, British, Russian and other Allied soldiers, and many of them would have been looking for souvenirs to take home. While there's no question that Germany was in a shambles at this time, the black market there would have been thriving; this might be a reasonable explanation for your statue.
 
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