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Check out CNN.com for the story on Dosha the dog...shot in the head by a cop after being hit by a car. They stick her in the quivalent of a body bag in the morg only to open the 'freezer' a few hours later and find her standing up...

Only Proves Alice Coopers theory that deer, humans, and apprently now dogs are getting more and more resilient.
 

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Darn cute dog, too...just shows ta go ya that pitbulls can be good dogs if you raise 'em right.
I kinda been thinkin' along the lines of that last part of the post...back about CW and Indian Wars times, a shot with a .36 was considered more than capable of taking a man out of the fight, whereas nowadays .38 spl and sometimes even .357's are considered marginal. The US Army went to .45's after a number of unpleasant experiences in the Philippines (Moros...the same guys that are causing trouble today) showed that they needed something with more authority.
Now the good ol' politicos have switched us to 9mm, to make out Allies happy...Kinda makes ya wonder. Heck, WE'RE the superpower, why don't THEY switch?
 

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Darn cute dog, too...just shows ta go ya that pitbulls can be good dogs if you raise 'em right.
I agree that almost all breeds can be good dogs including the so-called man-maulers like pit bulls and rottweilers. You have to raise them right.
There are (obviously) exceptions to this especially with individual over protective dogs. I once had a Chesapeake Bay retriever who was fine with the family adn wouldn't hurt a fly, but if you drove up our driveway he mangled our chain link fence with his teeth.
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That is one **** of a dog to survive all that in one day no matter what breed. I do love and own a Pit Bull though and think they are wonderful dogs. There are unfortunately those who raise dogs to fight, probably to make up for what they lack as men and human beings. Last year here in Southeast Alaska some fishermen lost there dog over the side of boat and did not realize this for several hours. The adult male pit bull swam around in the water for 12 hours before being seen by another boat and picked up. Now a normal person would probably become hypothermic and die in less than an hour in that water temp. I just love mans best friend, what would we do with out them.
 

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:D For what it is worth guys I have an extensive background involving animals. PIT BULLS ARE NOT GOOD DOGS. It does matter a little how the animal was raised. The bigest part of how the animal is is its psychology. Every pit that is is this country at present has very poor parantage,meaning,bad genetics and this makes the animal psychologically unsound. I could not even tell you how many pits I have had to kill due to either being attacked or having to destroy them because they are attacking/have attacked someone else. At some point that animal is going to go off the deep end. I have not seen one yet that does not. They can not be trusted 100 percent around small children or any other animals for that mater. The best way to put it is that they are a time bomb wainting to go..off,and a lawsuite waiting to happen. That is why they have been banned in so many places. They are probably the least stable of any of our domestic dogs at this point. Stay safe...king.
 

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:shock: Well I call Bull Sh*t on that one. My dogs pedigree for 6 generations is UKC Champion and Grandchampion show dogs. They are only breed after earning a Canine Good Citizen certificate, are DNA-VIP, and have had there Penn-Hip done with above excellent results. I would never generalize a breed of animal just like I would not generalize the race of a person. Every person and animal is capable of being aggressive, that's why we as responsible pet owners need to make sure these dogs are brought up with love and companionship. Ban the Deed not the Breed. :wink:
 

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responsible dog owners are the ones willing to put forth enough effort before they buy a dog to knkow what they are getting into and that it came from good lines. They are usually going to treat their dogs well and never have a problem with them. Now, if you go down to the ghetto where they are dog fighting and buy a dog for a $100 without knowing anythind about it they you are asking for trouble. Would you buy a **** dog whose entire blood line was devoted to running deer? No. You buy a **** dog who has **** trailing champions. I know that pit bulls were bred to fight, but you can find good blood lines. You can find stable dogs. The problem is, so many fighting bulls are bred and sold cheap.

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I almost forgot.... There are ALWAYS exceptions to breeds. Different parts of the country, blood lines, and sometimes just messed up in the head.
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most dogs start out good. it is what a person teaches them that screws them up. a.k.a. any pit that attacks a human has been taught to. pits are naturally aggresive toward other DOGS, not humans. that is a fact, jack. here is another fact for you, the breed that bites the most people in a year? your cute, cuddley, snuggly cocker spaniel. BAN COCKERS!!! ( j/k. ) really though, guys, banning breeds of dogs? about as much sense as gun control. i DO say that if a person is caught abusing a dog or if their dog commits an unprovoked[/color] attack, prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. lets all remember that there are appropriate times for a dog to bite, just like self defense or defense of property. lets be careful not to generalize and succumb to hype. we certainly dont like it when others try to tell us what guns we shouldnt have; or what car we cant have. [/color]
 

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:D Actually guys, its the poodle that is on the top of the list,or right near it at present for being a biter....As for banning the breed. Whether you guys are for it or not..I am...After all the years of animal contol work,and just plain animal work,that breed shoud be banned. Then start out again with fresh stock. Any dog will bite a human,,,it does not need to be trained to do so. Have I seen some good ones,,sure. Have they had problems with them later on..yup. If the animal comes from bad stock,and you might not know it for all the paper work,no matter how you treat it,it will be a problem. If you have a good one that is not a problem and not aggressive toward other dogs,thats great,hopefully it will not change. As for a bite..a poodle or a cocker gives a lot less damage that a pit does, Poodle probably around the ankle,a pit the bite will be around the entire body..just pick a spot. Of the hundreds of bites that I have seen in over 32 years of police work and animal work,my comments are not just off the shoulder... :-D :-D :-D king
 

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I uhhh...mmmm... have some first hand knowledge about dogs and their fighting....errrrr....biting abilities. (long family history of dog and cock fighting)I must agree with KING that the pit bull breed is not a good for anyone to own. This breed has been encouraged through years of slective breeding to be agressive. Yes some might become good pets, but is the safety of your child worth having one around? Many breeds do not make good pets but pits and ANY dog/wolf hybred is frankly stupid. Anyone who is willing to have something that could be so dangerous around family/friends is showing great disrespect for the same folks. Forget the macho image and pick a breed better suited to kinship with man. It is also a fact that smaller breads bite more often but when is the last time a poodle killed someone? Please show respect for life and don't own breeds of dogs that are proven to be dangerous. On a last and sad note, I once had the split decision to shoot someone's (a good friend's) pooch before it attacked my daughter. We were invited to this house and the dog was not a stranger to us. It was a Rottwiller/pit mix. It was messy and noisy, and sad, daughter was untouched. Friend was surprised and apoligized for dogs behavior. I cut friendship with pal because dog had shown less than friendly behavior before (to others) and I felt it was a damn unforgivable thing to keep such an animal. Did I shoot his dog? Right in his living room. To this day I won't talk to this man or his wife. Point is why take a chance? I cannot understand how some can put a dog before safety of man. Oh, I own dogs, love them, but not the kind that bite.

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good points.
You cannot be 100% sure that your strain of pit does not harbor aggresion toward animals, children, adults. If you are set on a pit bull check it out. Check parents, refrences, etc. I won't own one, but if I did want to, I would go about it this way. Also, if your dog IS dangerous no matter what you payed for it, you have a responsibility to society to put it down. If you don't, and heaven forbid, something does happen the law should prosecute you.

About shooing someone elses dog in their own living room... I don't think you had a choice. I think you made a quick decision that stopped an assult. Be safe and never buy a poodle. :D
 

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well, i agree on some and disagree on most.
volshooter- if you had any doubts about this animal, why even put your daughter in the situation; especially if you had seen things that raised your suspicicions before hand. just doesnt seem wise to me. maybe you should share some of the blame for putting your daughter in harms way. and i dont understand the part that said "and sad, my daughter was untouched..." as far as dogs that are a menace, dont have 'em, folks. and i still havent seen proof that any certain breed is more dangerous that another.
we owe it to one another to ensure that animals we keep are good citizens, and have a responsiblily to guareentee the safety of others; no matter the breed. to condemn a breed as a whole is as wrong as fienstien telling me i have no right to own a gun while she carrys one herself. i personally dont own pits, and choose not to. but that doesnt mean i can tell you that you cant. i do own a rott and it by far the best dog (in every regard) i have ever had. and i have had to deal with folks telling me i shouldnt have her since day one. not a one of these folks know beans about dogs; and not a one had a dog better behaved than mine. be really careful boys, think what you post before you post it. your good name is riding on it. everyone who posted on this one are folks i respect ( based on past posts ) but i really disagree with you guys on this. perhaps that is the best we can do one this subject- agree to disagree.
p.s. i really tried to word the above in a way not to offend or disrespect anyone, just stating the way i see things. goodnight all.
 

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The dog in question had never shown any agressive behavior towards us and we had no knowledge of said behavior before the shooting. It was only after the shooting the owner told me of it's behavior on other occasions. Therefore you are wrong to suggest I should assume any responsability. At no time during my posting did I say I knew before hand of it. If I had known I surely would not have gone to his house in the first place. I'm a plain speaking man so please don't read anything that's not written, there are no suggested meaning or messages in my writing.
Second point was that the word sad was used to describe the encounter (as in messy, noisy, and sad...all describing what happened to his pet,( it was SAD that I had to kill my friends pet) Surly you are not suggesting I'm sad my daughter was unhurt, or are you just not reading my statement correctly. Please read slowly, you're reading things in my statements that are not there.
Last point, I'll go slow. Some dogs, very much like game chickens ARE BREED to encourage agressive traits. Pits were breed to fight to the death. (period) Pits are agressive almost from birth. When we raised them this was evident. Yes even more agressive behavior can be taught, but pits are an agressive sub species of dog. A game rooster will fight till the last breath. We once had a pit so bad he killed the in heat female that was put in with him for breeding. (Gents, now that was a bad dog! He was 28-0 until a .308 got the best of him.)
MYRO, Rotts are wonderful dogs without natural agressive behavior, protective yes but not dangerous. Any bad dog behavior has to be instilled in Rotts as well as 99.9% of man's best friend. Rott attacks are noticed because of the large #'s of Rotts owned and their owners training) ( I didn't notice any mention of banning Rotts, only you defending them, congrats they make fine pets) Research it and talk to resposnable breeders. They will inform you that pits are not meant to be pets and ANY wolf/dog hybred is dangerous. Of course you will find those who say "they make wonderful pets!" There are exceptions to every rule. From a southern tradition family of fighting dogs and game chickens, don't take the chance on this breeds. Pitt attacks are frequently deadly or extremely serious.
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well i feel i must respond one last time. volshooter: keep in mind the only info i have is what you posted. re-read what you posted and you will see that by what you said and how you worded it, i was a bit unclear as to exactly what you intended to mean. you did say that the "...dog was not a stranger to us..." and "...had shown less than freindly behavior before...". surely you can see what i mean.
and no, i wouldnt suggest you were saddened by your daughters safety; i was asking for clarification on the statement, because if you read it, you will see that it isnt clear what you meant to say (it came across a bit fuzzy). and as far as "...please read slowly..." i re-read your post several times while making my post, and it still left me unclear. your second post was better written and made perfect sense with no room for misinterpetation. thanks for clearing that up. and, no need to get disrespectful ( "last point, i'll go slow." )
now concerning rotts. the reason i responded with that is you mentioned that the dog in your story was half pitt, half rott. many will lump them into the same frame of mind. and there are many that would ban rotts right along with pitts. see what i mean about being careful about what you post?
and as far as family pets? i never said i condoned that. or wolf hybrids, or big cats. all i have said from the word go is that pitts should not be banned as a breed.
one last note. if anyone here is, has been, or claims to be from the dog fighting circles, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND DEFINATALY NEED TO SHOULDER SOME OF THE RESPONSIBLILY FOR THE BAD RAP. i dont think much about perverting the friendship of man and dog. talk about " ...forget the macho image..." that isnt something i would brag about.
i think we will have to agree to disagree.
 

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Again, the phrase "not a stranger to us" and "had shown less than friendly behavior" were not in the same sentenance and no way were related. "not a stranger to us" meant exactly that, we had been around the dog before.
I never heard of any movement or suggestion on banning Rotts, nor would I endorse one. I don't endorse banning the pit bull breed, just that respectable folks not buy them as pets. When the market dries up, the breeding will stop.
As far as being from a southern background, yes my family did raise game chickens and dogs to fight for money. It still goes on in some families but not mine. I was around it until the age of 20 or so, that gives me a very special perspective towards certain breeds.
Thing is that if you put a Rott and a Beagle or even a Poodle in a room they will work out their differences. If you put 2 game roosters in a room only one or none will walk out. If two pits go in a room, well you see where I going. It used to be a regular thing to fight dogs/chickens, the morality issue is a recient idea.
Dog fighting has been around for a long time, just ask the ASPCA. I cain't take credit for starting it, but I take credit for no longer participating in it and being able to warn others.
There are still bear hunters who release the pit when the bear or hog is cornered (very legal here). These dogs will take a deadly hold and only let go when a peice of hickory is applied.
On a sad note this past year a family was pulled over and while detained for no crime, one of their pit/mixed dogs got out of the car and was shot by an officer. Folks lost a dear pet and TN made the national Bubba News again.
I agree to dissagree, as well as many animal control officers and cops do. Now be sure and scratch that rott for me and I will allow the beagles we now raise an extra 10 minutes run tomorrow.
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volshooter- it is obvious that you are a good person. consider the rott scratched; and i love beagles! but sadly, my wife cant stand their stubburn nature (but that is what makes 'em hounds!). i spent some time down south, and i will say that once you earn southerners trust, there is no-one more gracious and giving. even though we disagree one that post, i did enjoy the exchange of ideas and experiences. :wink: later.
 
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