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Im sure this has been asked alot around the forums, but I am looking for a double barrel shotgun for pheasant hunting. I am on a tight budget and would like to spend under $600. I am not sure if I would like a side by side or an over/under. I am thinking maybe a Stoeger or a Mossberg. Does anyone have any experience with these guns, and which type would be better for a long day of walking tall grass. I am pretty sure i would like an over/under 12 gauge but I am all ears.
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:D Cubby, Having been though the double gun stage, both o/u and s/s good doubles and cheap do not go hand in hand.... :( :mad: I guess I am too much of a rifleman to accept the different point of impacts of the two barrel guns. I have used them and done well, but even with Brownings and Beretta's the different point of impact of each barrel could be noticed. The S x S seemed to be the worst. Most of the guys that I know that have them do not pattern them too much but just shoot. They seem to do very well, but it bothered me... Also one S XS double in 12 ga. that I had would shoot trap loads to the same point fairly well, but when I put a heavy load in and fired, it would shoot low and left of the point of aim. Even the fine British guns are usually regulated for one load. :'( :-\ :-X :-[
 

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If your budget is limited to $600 my advice would be to get a pump or semiauto and forget the idea of a cheap double. Sure they are out there and I've had them and they do work but most just don't have the lively feel needed for best wingshooting performance.

Some folks use the Russian guns but I'd not take one for free to be honest as they feel like swinging a 2x4. The Stoeger guns are a little less so but still far from what I prefer for wingshooting and feel they are best for home defense use. The Huglu guns imported by CZ and DeHaan are about the lowest priced I can recommend and they don't meet your budget. The Mossbery guns look and feel nice but after talking a friend into buying one because of that it doubled on him right away and required replacement.
 

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I already have a Maverick 88 that i use for everything from pheasant to shooting trap on the FFA Trapshooting team back in highschool. It has been my only shotgun for the past 7 years, and plan on keeping that pump for the rest of my hunting career. But for some reason I have had my eye on double barrels to use while hunting pheasants. But if I cant get a halfway decent gun for $600, I guess I will just have to wait until next year or the year after and get a better quality gun. But what is the absolute lowest priced double barrel shotgun you guys would purchase.
 

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There are a number of O/U's out there in the $600.00 range. Mossberg, CZ, Charles Daily, the Remington Russian imports, are a few that come to mind. They tend to basic, good, serviceable guns. You don't have to spend over $1000 to get a decent double. That said, don't expect the same level of fit and finish as you will find on the higher priced guns. How a shotgun fits you, and feels in your hands is important. You should go to a gun shop with a decent selection, and try handeling a few of these guns. Another option is to look at a clean, used, higher grade gun, like a Winchester 101, SKB, Franchi, Citori. Guns like these are a couple hundred over your $600 limit, but offer a step up in ift and finish, and may or may not balance better in your hands. Just because a gun is inexpensive does not mean it can't handle well - there is no law saying that a double under $1000 has to have its stock drilled for a lead pipe to destroy the balance..lol

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Best would be to find a nice used Browning Citori, Berreta, Winchester 101, older Charles Daly or SKB in roughly that order in my opinion. They can often be had for $800 to $1000. All are O/U guns.

But if ya want new then I'd go for a Huglu made gun imported either by DeHaan (first choice) or by CZ (close second choice). Both are made by same folks but the DeHaan guns are finished a bit nicer than the ones imported by CZ. Both are well made guns with good lines and should serve you well. They both import SxS and O/U guns both so take your pick. I've owned both and several versions of them. All have been well made guns that do have the handling qualities it takes to actually use them successfully for wingshooting.

My advice is to go with one of them or one of the used guns mentioned. As far as price goes you'll be lucky to get either for less than $750 and likely will have to spend more like $850-$900.
 

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Ok, now that i got a couple manufacturers in mind. What would you guys prefer an Over/Under or a Side by Side? And would you rather have it in 12 or 20 gauge? The main reason I think I want a double barrel is because I am getting confident in my shooting ability and would like to only have 2 shots instead of 5 or 6 in my Maverick depending on the length of the shell for more of a challenge. I believe my Grandfather has a SxS I could use this season but when I was handling it a few weeks ago it felt rather on the heavy side and the foregrip is missing a large chip of wood.
And thanks alot guys, a co-worker recomended this site just 3 days ago and I have found alot of information I had previously had to sift through the internet looking for.
 

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Almost all the guns mentioned are O/U's. SxS's are a lot harder to find, and tend to cost more. CZ imports a decent looking SxS, I think around $900 or so. Ugachera also has a nice box lock SxS, Also about $1000. I have one and they balance nice. Most guys use O/U, and seem to hit better with them, I think due to the single sighting plane. I like a lighter, better handling 20 over dogs for upland, but for an all around gun, 12 is what most guys would choose.

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The choice is a personal one but I think most chose an O/U over a SxS but the SxS is a classic bird hunting gun. I don't shoot them nearly as well as I do O/Us personally.
 

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I will add one that I am looking at in both the SXS and the O/U. The brand is Yildiz, they are made in Turkey and the only people selling them is Academy. I am not exactly sure on the prices but the O/U sells for under 400 and the SxS is 489. I had read up on these guns a little while back and read positive reviews. I talked with a couple of people that have them and love them. I started looking at them again and may get one. They are very light and the only negatives I read were the kick from these guns is hard. I can live with that as i am planning to get the 20ga myself and if there is a problem I will add a recoil pad.

I would like to look at the Stoeger uplander as well, as I have read a little on it lately and it sounds like an ok gun for the money.

The Yildiz is a decent buy for the money as well. Most I have seen have nice wood. They all come with the same engraving but it is not bad to look at. But at the same time is a gun I don't mind beating up a bit.

My newest thought was I might get one in a .410 as a new play toy for me but also to have something my nephews could fire and my daughter when she is big enough. I have never really understood the fascination with the .410 until today when I saw a couple of 5 and 6 year old boys bust clays with one. But my thoughts change daily so who knows...
 

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Can't say about o/u. Honestly never fired 1. I have hunted most of my life with a s/s for small game and birds. Own 5 but nothing made after 1970 and only 1 made after 1955. To deside between s/s or o/u you just have to handle both and see what fits you and your hunting style. My eyes just ain't stacked right to shoot an o/u! ;D But give em both a try. Doubles are great just not for everybody. Some just don't care for them. Good luck and if you consider used there are some great old doubles out there.
 

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I will add one that I am looking at in both the SXS and the O/U. The brand is Yildiz, they are made in Turkey and the only people selling them is Academy. I am not exactly sure on the prices but the O/U sells for under 400 and the SxS is 489. I had read up on these guns a little while back and read positive reviews. I talked with a couple of people that have them and love them. I started looking at them again and may get one. They are very light and the only negatives I read were the kick from these guns is hard. I can live with that as i am planning to get the 20ga myself and if there is a problem I will add a recoil pad.

I would like to look at the Stoeger uplander as well, as I have read a little on it lately and it sounds like an ok gun for the money.

The Yildiz is a decent buy for the money as well. Most I have seen have nice wood. They all come with the same engraving but it is not bad to look at. But at the same time is a gun I don't mind beating up a bit.

My newest thought was I might get one in a .410 as a new play toy for me but also to have something my nephews could fire and my daughter when she is big enough. I have never really understood the fascination with the .410 until today when I saw a couple of 5 and 6 year old boys bust clays with one. But my thoughts change daily so who knows...
If you shoot much, Yildiz have a reputation of breaking fireing pins, if you don't, then that may not be an issue.

.410's are one of the hardest guages to hit anything with, i hope you don't strap ANY new shooter with a .410! Get a 20 ga., ammo is cheaper, and with lighter loads, even a kid can handle it. (yes i know .410 isn't a guage)

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Yes the .410 bore is an experts gun for wingshooting not a beginners gun. Some times it makes me want to pull out what hair I have left but the light recoil of those half ounce loads are much easier on my shoulder which is in bad need of surgery.

To my mind the ideal beginner's gun is a 28 ga but you best have deep pockets or reload or both as the ammo for it costs as much or more than premium .410 target loads. You can get 20 ga. for less than half what .410 and 28 goes for. Still the recoil of the 28 is noticeably less and it seems to hit just as hard on the targets.
 

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Look around for a older Stevens SxS. Onliest thing was, they have a wide forearm. Maybe it's just my hands but it takes me a while to get used to it. Good ,tough shotguns over all. I had 1 Stoeger Uplander and won't have another. I've not messed with any of the Huglu guns(CZ and DeHaan) but know some who've had the CZs. Mixed reveiws have kept me away from them. I've shot the Bakhail/Remington offerings. Like Bill said, they handle like a 2x4, are as ugly as a mud fence but keep on shooting.

Some folks find it disconcerting to look down the rib of a SxS and let it get into thier heads about how the shots can be going to the same place. The same folks never think about the shots from a stack barreled gun. You need to handle as many as you can, to see which feels best to you. Close your eyes and shoulder the gun. Open your eyes and see what you're seeing. You need to be looking right down the rib. Not seeing the end or the back of the barrel. Do this a couple of times with each gun. If you can get this right, the gun will shoot where ya look as if it's part of ya.


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thanks for all the help guys! I took the plunge and decided to go with the Stoeger Condor. It went on sale for 60 dollars off and decided to jump on it after shouldering and talking to the salesmen about some other models available. Is there any quick tips for the Stoeger Condor before opening Pheasant this weekend? I will let you all know how it shoots and hopefully can get a few roosters this weekend.
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I'll second what huntswithdogs said. I've shot Stevens 311's all my life, and still hunt with one that was a $60.00 pawn shop find in 1957. I've never had a problem with it and have put thousands of shells through it from skeet loads to high brass duck loads. I'll be pullin' it out of the safe this weekend for snowshoe hare and grouse.
 

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I have a Stevens 311 also. Its 12 gauge SXS. 28" barrels. Forearm is tapered and fits well. I sight with both eyes open and swing like the end of the barrel is a giant eraser. Works for me, but I haven't seen one on the market in quite a while. I'm older than dirt and am partial to doubles.


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I hated my 311, the trigger pulls were poor at best, there was enough wood on the stock/forearm to stock a second gun ect... lol

Like many of the cheaper guns, they are made from decent steel, they just are poorly fit and finished enough, that i'd rather pay more and get something better.

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