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We are having a problem with our NEF .243 junior. It is failing to extract the case after being fired. The gun shop is saying it is due to the ammo (Winchester SuperX 100 grain). They are saying the end of the casing is expanding a half of a millimeter after firing. It doesn't pop and unseat the casing. Also, the ejector also drops down some (1 to 2 mm) when the action is opened. You can push the round in past the ejector without contacting it when it does this.

Please help, we already had an incident this past Saturday from this that caused my son ( 8 ) to lose his first deer on his first junior hunt. (Dropped a doe but she got up after 15 minutes and we could not reload to finish off the harvest) Regular rifle season opens next Saturday and the gun is at the shop now. I asked them to put the BB in behind the ejector spring as to hopefully help with the problem. I am taking both the Remington 80 grain and the Winchester 100 grain up there with me, but I thought someone here might have experienced this problem.


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If you know about the BB trick, then you may have read the other issues related to sticking brass, if not, please read the chamber polishing info in the FAQs. It's normal for the ejector to drop down when the action is opened, it's designed to do that. It's possible the Win ammo is loaded too hot for that rifle, wouldn't be the first time factory ammo was too hot for a Handi, just depends on the chamber specs. As a last resort, you can send it to H&R for repair, doesn't help much for this season tho.

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Ditto on what Tim said. I have heard the same thing about the Winchester ammo. If you are looking for a great over the counter cartidge that is awesome on whitetail try the Fusion 95gr. That is all I use in my Handi 243 and you will not be disappointed. Just a suggestion.
 

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Thanks for the replies.

I finally had some time after work last night to dig through the FAQ and check the links. I will polish the chamber and ejector when I get it back from the shop. Possibly look into a slightly stronger spring if the BB does not help. I saw the BB trick when I was just glancing through the FAQ for anything on the ejector to talk to the shop about. I didn't want them to try and pull the wool over my eyes on this. I was a gunners mate in the Navy but I don't have much experience on the ejector/extractors of the Handis. The picture in the FAQ is worth a thousand words.

The shop carries Fusion ammo, so I will order the 95 grain rounds as suggested. We were actually looking at the fusion lites to use in my CVA 270 for him but I didn't have the time to get back on the bench and resight for the ammo so we went with the 243 already sighted in by the shop.

I will work with him on his shot placement under pressure (he was shaking like a leaf) so we will not need to worry about a follow up. I can't blame him on the shakes as that is part of the hunt, feeling like your chest is going to explode. We can chalk it up to a learning experience and try again. I am going to give up some of my days during rifle to concentrate on just his hunt.


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What do you mean she got up after 15 minutes??
Where was she hit?? Was it poor placement??
Usually if a deer is hit and stays down for 15 minutes it's because it's dead.
Was there a blood trail to follow after the deer got up??
Did you try to track the deer??

Unfortunately this looks like another case where an animal will suffer due to inexperience, lack of practice, etc.
Maybe age (the hunter) and practice will prevent the same thing from happening next time.


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Spanky.....How would you like SPANKED.....Ease up a little!

Besides, The closest you'll ever come to perfection is when you're standing next to ME! ;D
 

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I'm not trying to be harsh. I understand things happen sometimes but...

I guess I just hate to see an animal suffer and there was no mention of trying to continue the recovery of the deer after it got up.

If I offended anyone I apologize, just thinking out loud again.


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After the shot she dropped instantly to the side and let out a bleet, exactly like the primos can does. When I approached her she sat still until I was 10 yards away and she snorted at me, jumped up and took off. I was completely dumbfounded. The other doe she came in with was laying down about 20 yards away (I didn't see her at the time) and she jumped up and ran with her. We waited and then tracked her about 100 yards away where she was bedded down after letting her sit for an hour. It was heavy thorn bush. I followed some of the blood spots into it (trail started about 15 yards before the briars) and a friend who was also helping track was on the other side. He saw her jump out, cross the creek and lay down again in another pile of thorns 60 yards away. It was 34 degrees that night and late by this time so we decided to let her lay until morning. It was well into dark and we didn't want to keep pushing her out into the open woods, plus no chance for a shot. The next morning she got up again and walked off when we approached the briars. She didn't run, but jogged off at a fair pace.

Poor shot placement.

Checked the scope when we got it back and it was walking big time so I replaced it last week. Also when I got it back from the shop I could see a polished ring inside the chamber where the spent casing was hanging. I took a spent case, coated the neck with weenol and used a drill and stud to polish the tight spot out. 2 boxes of ammo through of the same SuperX for sighting and practice and not one hang. We had a couple of boxes of the stuff so we are finishing it off. 1" at 100yds after some work.



I didn't sleep at all that night and am not one to let one lay wounded. But we had no choice at that time. No shooting after dark and again no shooting on Sunday when we got up to check. I spent 5 hours in October crawling on my hands and knees through the briars to find and recover my buck I took during bow season. I don't give up unless I am forced to. The woods here are odd, you can have an open area of large trees with a 125 yard shot, yet that runs into acres of solid briars. You can guess where the deer like to go when they have a chance to. When ever I or my son takes a shot I am committed to finding the harvest, this was the only one that it didn't work out that way and why I was so frustrated with the hung up casing. This weekend when we went out I also took my CVA 270 as a backup in case there were any issues. It's way too much for my 8 year old, that is why we bought the junior handi in the first place.

We were able to harvest two does on opening day (Saturday) with no issues. One with the 243 and one with the 270.

I was extremely impressed with the entry/exit and it instantly dropped the doe this weekend. It is the first time I have butched a deer taken with a 243 and I was happy with the minimal secondary muscle damage the bullet produced. My 270 does quite a bit of damage sometimes which will render some of the shoulder meat useless. It removed the backside shoulder about 90% on the doe Saturday. I may look into a 243 barrel for my CVA for next year.

We did not see any buzzards after that day, till today (it is out behind my house/acreage) so she lived. I think the one neighbor took her on Saturday, he took two does also. All 4 passed within 15 yards of us as they came through. We already had two on the ground so we let the other two walk. I should have pictures once the mother-in-law gets them developed and I can scan them.


I am definitely not offended. I feel the same way that you do about recovering your deer. I should have posted everything in the original post but was thinking of it as a mechanical issue with little time to fix before the regular season opened. I was worried the shop was trying to pull the wool over my eyes on the gun and refusing to fix an issue blamed on the ammo.
 

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You can see some of the damage on the deer to the right from the 270 on the lower chest. You can see the entry on the deer to the left of the 243. Both were within 15 yards and downward shots from a 15' stand.



 
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