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Concho, you're on to something. I am headed to Paris next week and, in only semi jest, two friends there tonight asked me separately if I would bring them "an assault rifle". The little, smug, effeminate, eurosocialists have had their teeny, tiny little worlds rocked. And some of them are going to grow a pair.

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if the socialist idiots hadn't dumped them all in the ocean, England could give all the lend-lease weapons we sent them in WWII to France to help them out a bit. of course, then someone would have to teach them which end to point at the enemy.
 

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Still with all thier problems and they are many. France has a long history of becoming ruthless once they have had enough. And who are we to talk these days? Like a few years ago it was the fad to put down the French for their lack of courage. Look at us, we have the largest standing civilian army in the world in terms of small arms.
Yet we have done nothing to stop our decline here in our own country.

Least we forget, without the aid of the French sea power we may not have won our war of independence against the British. France is the only country that has ever came to our aid when dealing with our own problems.
No other country in the world can say that. The toll was high for the French Navy, keeping the Royal Navy off our backs or for them to land any reinforcements. Allowing for us to get our own act together.
 

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On the amusing side, French tanks had a reputation for having one forward gear and two reverse gears. It was used to ridicule the French. It's a matter of fact that the US M1 series of tanks have two reverse gears. Coincidence?
 

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Conan said:
On the amusing side, French tanks had a reputation for having one forward gear and two reverse gears. It was used to ridicule the French. It's a matter of fact that the US M1 series of tanks have two reverse gears. Coincidence?

Don't know about that but so did the early CAT fifteen bulldozer's. It was because the drive gear was in the rear and higher up than the front idler. If it became stuck in mud or sand the rear angle was better for getting out.
The other reverse gear was usually only used for this or in case of a transmission failure.
The front like with a blade, or like a tank was where most of the weight was.
The rear was lighter so reverse wasn't as likely to just sink in and spin the tracks. .
 

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And Obama wants to bring in 10,000 of these types and disarm us? What is wrong with this picture?

That number would only get the camel's nose under the tent, BO would welcome millions here as Europe has done (and as he already has done with Hispanics). Europe is learning what Israel has long known, it's insane to welcome in hordes of people who hate you and have no respect, gratitude or intention of becoming part of the host population. But, so long as elections continue they, like the Hispanics, would certainly vote Democrat. And, as promised, the way America works would indeed be changed.

Where ever Muslims go they take Sharia law with them. They have to because it's an integral part of their murderous religion, same as democracy and tolerance of dissent is forbidden by Islam. There's nothing about any of it that's compatible with a civilized society and even France is finally recognizing it. (But not BO, he never learns anything.)
 

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They were once a world power.
And the Royal Navy avoided them at all cost..
So did the Red Coats here in America
Courage is not what's lacking in the French, commitment is.
 

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Do tell, please, when the Royal Navy, EVER, sought to avoid engagement with the French navy.

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Several times when outnumbered, or the times they ran up on the much larger French ships.
There are many accounts of it happening especially in the carribean around the French colony's there.
Of course the English didn't call it avoidance they said it was in order to stay on mission.
Depending on the mission or their ships cargo. I'm sure the French did it as well.

But usually the French sailed in a formation of two or more ships like the Spaniards did, where the English
didn't. Clearly seen in Master and Commander where a smaller English ship did anything it could to stay out of the range of the much larger French ship. And this really did happen a lot, the English had the numbers but the French had the better ships just not as many.

Sure both Navy's were out cruseing for a fight but the fight had to be worth the effort. This is detailed in the book His Majesty's Royal Navy. It's the English side of this but it's truthful and covers the criteria for an avoidance situation. Or fox and the hound as the author called it.
If there was no real reason to engage other than protecting commerce or enforcing a blockade it was a live to fight another day scenario pretty much for both Navy's.
 

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Just to draw a parallel I was on another forum and one person whom happened to be from MI was a bit, perhaps offended by those that were in the opinion the Muslims should be stopped and when necessary treated with whatever prejudice necessary to eliminate the problem. Said he couldn't see blaming all for "the misbehavior of a few". Somehow likened it to the Catholic/Protestant Irish conflicts! Isn't this the whole crux of the problem? To use a vulgar but accurate cliche, it's like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end! This country is, IMO victim of it's own freedom and needs to quickly find a solution. More and more it appears the viable legal solutions are being blatantly ignored so......... where's the tipping point? If we don't think about it then the "invaders" will certainly bring it to us sooner more likely than later!
 

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They were saying this morning that one of the terrorist snuck into the country by pretending to be one of the refugees. They believe the suicide bombers did to while wearing the explosives under a coat.
But they are still looking for the pieces of them.
Not vetted not searched are we making the same mistake?
 

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Several times when outnumbered, or the times they ran up on the much larger French ships.
There are many accounts of it happening especially in the carribean around the French colony's there.
Of course the English didn't call it avoidance they said it was in order to stay on mission.
Depending on the mission or their ships cargo. I'm sure the French did it as well.

But usually the French sailed in a formation of two or more ships like the Spaniards did, where the English
didn't. Clearly seen in Master and Commander where a smaller English ship did anything it could to stay out of the range of the much larger French ship. And this really did happen a lot, the English had the numbers but the French had the better ships just not as many.

Sure both Navy's were out cruseing for a fight but the fight had to be worth the effort. This is detailed in the book His Majesty's Royal Navy. It's the English side of this but it's truthful and covers the criteria for an avoidance situation. Or fox and the hound as the author called it.
If there was no real reason to engage other than protecting commerce or enforcing a blockade it was a live to fight another day scenario pretty much for both Navy's.
Your understanding of naval history and ideas about the predominance of French naval arms is based on the Hollywood butchering of a composite of Patrick O'Brian novels? Well, that would explain it.

Google the following:

Lagos
Quiberon Bay
Aboukir
St Vincent
Trafalgar

Or, more recently

Mers el-Kebir

In fact, other than de Grasse off of Yorktown it is virtually impossible to cite a single successful fleet action by the French against the Royal Navy from the 17th century onward.

Go on, give it a shot.
 

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I've read the books and the historical accounts. If what your saying were true, then why wasn't the French fleet
thwarted by the Royal Navy at the battles of Yorktown and Charleston?
They weren't that's why.

Charleston, the battle that turned the tide of our war of independence. A full English armada was guarding that harbour, so you tell me how did the French ships get past that? Go on, give it a shot.
 

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The weakness of the French navy was in neither their guns, ships or men, it was that the French didn't spend the time or money to allow their gunners enough practice to become very efficient and effective - the English did.

Learning to rapidly load, accurately aim and fire large guns at sea during the general distraction of being under fire from the English seems to have been difficult - again it was the basic foolishness of the higher French officers.
 
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