Terry i have been watching this post hoping someone would reply been wondering myself.Have you tried the 50g federals on any game? I tried the 50g pmc last year on one coyote had to make two hits to anchor him.i used 40g win for years they shoot very good out of my lakefield.switched to the rem 33 pt they shot well also different impact point than the win.have only killed three with the rem but they are performing well so far.I have to use the rim fire here on public lands during small game season.