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While have been thinking about a fixed sight model 97 'round butt 44spl' for a truly 'classic' combo among other guns, ALSO got to thinking about some projects for my existing adjustable sight guns. A very good time for projects, no doubt!!

Specifically for me, different kinds of front sights, brass bead, hi-vis, and specialty sights ....and then maybe different heights for non-typical handloads had always wanted to experiment with but didn't, due to just old normal routine.

Need to order an extra Firing Pin assembly. As well as both an extra Square & Express 'rear' assembly for other experiments.

FA snapcaps work well for most any kind of revolver and are excellent BTW, for indoor practice since alot of ranges being closed right now. Need to order some other things, extra screws, springs, a few wrenches & more snap caps.

I have been using Leupold scope mounts but have always wanted to experiment with other kinds that Freedom kept in stock.
Need a crimp die for another project plus want to try another holster.
Deciding when on a few extra cylinders and will as soon as I can.

Fun projects coming up here.
 

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Speaking of projects, yesterday finally got this one off the ground after starting on it, almost a year ago.

Decided on 4.75 inch with extra 45 Colt cylinder. I like the Rosewood grip panels on Silver finish. Very happy with this gun for sure, 45 Colt light cowboy loads from a bench will work dandy too.

But plan to deer hunt with 454 cylinder in this shorter barreled gun.

Thanks for looking & happy shooting!

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...nice...


Have been enjoying .32s for a while but never could warm up to them until the .327 was introduced... Found a deal on a 97/6.5" and ended up adding quite a few .327s and .32 H&Rs to that initial purchase. A few weeks ago I bought a Colt New Frontier in .357 Magnum with some thought to having a custom .327 made up...



But after looking at the .32s and the cost of the conversion decided to sell off all the .32 H&R Mags and the NF and buy another FA 97 with a short barrel and live happily ever after....


Three out of the four guns have now sold and have inquiries on the last...as soon as the checks get here will make the final decision on whether to order a gun or buy one of the ones that are all ready out there for sale...


So that is my FA project for the day....


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...interesting on 32 & 327 projects! Like idea of that cool caliber in 97. On my list for certain, thinking 5.5 inch'ish at this point in time but that could change.

Thanks on 454 - attached is more of a dress up ''Ready for 4th of July, Go-To-Meetin'' image that working on. You can tell I am already thinkin about summer. Lol. Last weekend finished off some old Herco loads that were not my favorite, but sure had fun! Will load up some 4227 loads tonite or tomorrow night I think but always trying different things.

Speaking of warmer months, a friend called this morning hoping to secure a biology project/study coming up, thru his work maybe in Fall or earlier. The idea is to head to Greys River or Salt River range areas, perhaps another range nearby - as this is another hobby of mine .... that we have both worked on over the years, in that general region before. Normally a ways further North.

May drop off another FA though dont mind shipping if needed, but since there...

Thinking another extra 45 cylinder on a different gun for factory target use yet will still hunt deer with the 454 at probably 44 mag low to high end velocites depending on bullet weight, in both scoped and short bbl guns. Can use heavier bullets with 454 more easily than 44mag, for me handloading for hunting offers about 15 to 25 lbs of recoil or less (if needed) instead of near 38lb's at max 454 factory loads, which am still fine to use and do enjoy it.

Lets see, have a few extra alluminum rear sight bases, so experimenting with finish on underside of one them, with stuff I have around here. Waiting on mail, for some FA items already ordered.

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My project is a new to me Field Grade 83. I cobbled together a set of grips. I won’t use these for shooting full power loads as they might not take the recoil. I will use them with my mid range loads though and see how they do.

Note to self, if I ever do this again, put the ferules in before shaping the grips!

Pictures later!
 

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VERY NICE bnew....wish I had that kind of talent....
 

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BNewberry, Great job! ~thanks for posting yet also appreciate the notes too. I ordered some hardware to go with building grip panels about a year ago. This is something else have been wanting to experiment with and will, though have never fashioned my own panels before. Worked with wood for 7 or 8 years many many moons ago, not saying that I am an artist at it. Also jave some extra various materials around that could be functional and nice, but I really enjoy wood too, as well as the various FA stock panels. Thanks for tips.

Have an extra rubber grip too, same as yours and gladly use it sometimes when fishing a few different places.

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Thanks! I will put this here to remind myself what I did and how to do better, starting with a flat board of appropriate size cut to an oversized blank.

1. Make sure the top and front edges that abut the frame form the right angle to ensure a good fit. Sand these surfaces smooth.
2. I didn’t do this, but I would try making a stiff cutout pattern of the protrusions at the front of the frame that you have to cut reliefs for. Paste these onto the wood to guide these relief cuts.
3. After the relief cuts are done then fit the grip blanks in place and drill for the retention pin.
4. Secure the two halves together, carefully matching the edges etc. and drill for the ferule. Don’t mount the ferule yet.
5. Scribe or mark the outline of the frame to mark final size. Cut off any excess wood but don’t get too close to the line.
6. Fasten the grips together and begin shaping the grips, starting At the top where the most wood has to be removed. Take care not to dish out the center. Fit and test frequently!
7. Hand sand up to about 200 grit before sanding down to the scribed lines for final dimensions.
8. Oil or finish as desired.

This took me two days of off and on work, a bit each day. I would guess about 4 hours total. I used a Dremel, some knives, a 2x72 belt grinder with a couple of small wheels and a flat platen and various sand paper grits.
 

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Great grip tips and will use!

Lets see, so far ordered a couple of heights in front brass bead sights to see better plus experiment with various loads and barrel lengths.

Some spare parts/springs too.

Working on new loads. Other things coming up I think.
 

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Speaking of projects, yesterday finally got this one off the ground after starting on it, almost a year ago.

Decided on 4.75 inch with extra 45 Colt cylinder. I like the Rosewood grip panels on Silver finish. Very happy with this gun for sure, 45 Colt light cowboy loads from a bench will work dandy too.

But plan to deer hunt with 454 cylinder in this shorter barreled gun.

Thanks for looking & happy shooting!

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Quick question from a newbie to the 454 casull. I was told that you could shoot a 45 Long Colt through a 454 cylinder. Is this not the case?

If it is the case, can you explain the reason for two cylinders.
 

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Yes, you can fire .45 Colt from a .454 chamber.
But, why not just buy .454 brass from Starline and load lighter loads?
Try 9.0gn of Unique with a 255gn LSWC bullet.
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Gary,

Great load! ...ended up trying the softer core and thin plated bullets as you suggested, my setup was at 9.3g Unique but last outing instead used a 7.5inch bbl scoped m83 for this session. Most downrange tests were touching or very close and then there was some very good overlapping as well, only a few flyers this session - probably the shooter.

Estimate approx. 1075fps with about 8.3 inches of bullet travel from this gun using the longer bbl, only about 8 lbs or less recoil!! Good 'case' seal in the matching 454 chamber too, which agree is best.

Will work up 454 starline-case 'target' loads for newest shorter gun too. But FIRST will try some hollowbase plated bullets in my 45colt cylinder. Have very high hopes for this project as well, especially for accuracy. Could be ideal bore seal at low velocity which I am hoping will help a great deal, for consistent tight groups?

USA774,

On my particulars, as for why I went ahead and got the extra 45 Colt cylinder on above gun, this go around....

Besides really enjoying testing for just about any 45 calber 'accurate' loads which is my usual priority during off-season ~ tho like other calibers alot too .... yet during the long 3-4 month hunting season have much less time to put together target loads when handloading. The 'factory' 45Colt ammo becomes a really nice option, when needed.

So my experience has been that light recoiling 'factory' 45 colt ammo has been consistently very accurate in a matching Colt chamber rather than in the longer 454 chamber yet can still use same gun when hunting with 454 loads, just swap the cylinders which is still convenient.

These lighter rounds normally shoot at a different POI but am just shooting for tight groups ~ where my actual zero is for the 454 hunting loads, that is, for during the season anyway.

For hunting, I usually like 'heavier bullet' handloads at lower velocity or sometimes Hornady 454 300g xtpmag 'factory'(as needed, perhaps for big bear areas and really for elk hunting too ~ however, those high velocity Hornady factory rounds are not 'heavy use' target rounds, for me anyway, yet enjoy shooting those too).

Happy shooting! Squint
 

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Hold the charge to 9.0gn Unique. Those flyers will disappear.
Use a firm roll crimp and a std small pistol primer.
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Hold the charge to 9.0gn Unique. Those flyers will disappear.
Use a firm roll crimp and a std small pistol primer.
Gary
Gary, ...think am with ya on that ~ as long as get good seal from enough pressure and crimp plus where gun already likes this load along with better chamber and primer match ~ then holding charge down to 9.0g could provide for 'just enough' more of a consistent burn % before bullet exits. VERY GOOD, will try that on next 454 UNIQUE test.

Plus, the 454 full length sizing helps for a nice tight neck, avoiding over crimp on softer target bullet. I like it.
 

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Hunting season(s) are approaching and have been working on some new PUBLISHED loads for this 475 Linebaugh FA revolver below(I posted this image on another thread almost a year ago). Really is my FAVORITE HUNTING gun.

Already have plenty of 1300fps, 400g loads at a significant 38 ft lbs of recoil which really enjoy hunting with. Plus some 1000 to 1100 fps rounds.

Yet lately have been working on PUBLISHED 400g Speer JFP loads at 800fps ( LESS than 15 ft lbs recoil ) and 17fps recoil velocity. Just too have around since hunting Elk at closer ranges in dark timber this year, Deer later in Fall too. Very accurate.

My thinking, with this heavy bullet, I should still get plenty of penitration (both heavy momentum & expansion from bullet) for 700-800 lb Elk.

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Also, had thought about using IMR 4227 someday as well, although expensive to use at low end velocity, this would be a NON-PUBLISHED (so far) hunting LOAD. Using a QuickLOAD forecast at 800fps velocity, it is about 74% fill and near 60% burn with 4227, these rates work well for PUBLISHED 45 Colt loads but with a lighter 270g bullet.

475 caliber Forecast also indicates load still has over 2k psi muzzle pressure when bullet exits.

Please let me know any concerns or experience about a LOW END 4227 load in 475 caliber, it will be colder during Fall as well - ANY reliability concerns with this powder??? ....meanwhile, will be looking for reputable published data.

Have used LOW END 4227 PUBLISHED loads with 45 Colt with high success, even with the un-burnt powder kernals.

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ps: Realize 4227 is slow burning where 'best use' generally is fast burning powder is for low velocity target loads, a medium burn rate powder is best for mid-range velocities, and a slow burning powder is best for magnum velocities. I have a ton of 4227 and it is accurate at lower velocities in my experience and for hunting is reason for my query. And would NEVER REDUCE H110 or W296, that would be DANGEROUS.
 

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Great FA guns posted on the other threads! Love it.

Had a fantastic week with my 21 yr old son, elk hunting the southern Sangre De Cristos. We got close on a few bulls but came up short.

I did hunt with my favorite FA 475 iron (pictured above) most of the week. But the next to the last day I spotted a couger at 50 yards sneaking around in the boulder, cactus & pinion breaks (where we had tracked the elk to), the 200lb plus cat didnt help the elk hunting so I personally switched to rifle hunting the last few days - where son was already using a rifle anyway, while hoping bag his first bull elk. We both had a blast regardless, even with the addition of the 3rd hunter. Too bad I could not get a mountain lion tag for October, otherwise my FA revolver would have spoke up!

I also drew a tag for a mule deer buck coming up and will again hunt with my favorite FA 475 or 454 near any potential cliff scrambles at appropriate ranges. If I get a big buck, will post and with FA gun used:). Otherwise will be hunting cats and cull doe's quite a bit over next few months so wont be around the forum a great deal, hopefully being outdoors more - typical for this time of year. Enjoy the Fall everyone.

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