Lee #2 has some loads for 190 cast in the .30-30. I'd reduce those starting loads a grain or two from starting and work up. That would make 18 grains of 5744 a starting point with a top of 21 or 22.Win94 said:Fellas, i have available to me some 200 grain gas checked round nose .309" hard cast bullets. They are 25 BHN. Has anyone successfully pushed such a veavy animal in the .30-.30??? Any thoughts on where a startin point would be as far as load data???