[Dalescarpentry]

Hornady is coming out with a new round. It is the 6.5 Creedmoor. Looks interesting to me. What do you guy's think. Dale http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=763 http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/hornady-introduces-new-65-creedmoor-cartridge/

 

[Incomplete Deer Hunter]

looks neat. maybe for the long range hunters. or a flop

 

[krochus]

This is even more useless than the 30T/C or that new 308marlin/307win

 

[Dalescarpentry]

I have to agree the 308 Marlin does nothing the regular 308 doesn't as for the other two you mentioned I know nothing about them. I still think this one may turn out to be a pretty decent round. I wonder what rifle companys are going to chamber it and put it on the market? Do any of you know? Dale

 

[jvs]

Here are the Ballistics for the 6.5mm Remington Magnum. I can assure you that the .264 Winchester Magnum is comparable to the Rem Mag, maybe superior.

Range 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds. 500 yds. +
+ 1.5 0 6.5 19.0 38.2
ft/lb 2252 1960 1700 1467 1260

While I am glad that someone is at least trying to come out with something new, as a Hunter I see this round as nothing that hasn't been done before, probably with a little less recoil and barrel erosion.

 

[cheesehead]

All 6.5mm's are interesting to me.

Cheese

 

[Graybeard]

Appears to be a .260 Remington with the shoulder angle changed and case shortened by 0.010" yup that really should set the world on fire no doubt about it.

 

[warf73]

Sounds to me its supposed to be a competition round for long range matches.

Dave and Dennis wanted to provide factory-loaded ammo that would be 100% competitive with any High Power chambering, including the 6XC and 6.5×47 Lapua. The 6.5 Creedmoor was purpose-built for match rifles, including the Tubb 2000 and DPMS/Panther Arms LR Series. Its case is shorter than the 260 Remington, so you can load even the longest bullets into .308-Win length magazines. Pushing a 120gr Amax at 3000+ fps, the 6.5 Creedmoor offers a nice, flat trajectory plus good wind-bucking ability. Dennis Demille has used the prototype cartridge for many months now in a Tubb 2000 rifle. He says, the load is “moderate and very reliable. There have been no issues with stiff bolt lift or primer cratering.” The factory ammo runs “under 60,000 psi” according to Emary, and uses Hodgdon H4350 powder–43.5 grains with the 120 Amax and 41.2 grains with the 140 Amax.

 

[Dalescarpentry]

Here are the Ballistics for the 6.5mm Remington Magnum. I can assure you that the .264 Winchester Magnum is comparable to the Rem Mag, maybe superior.

Range 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds. 500 yds. +
+ 1.5 0 6.5 19.0 38.2
ft/lb 2252 1960 1700 1467 1260

While I am glad that someone is at least trying to come out with something new, as a Hunter I see this round as nothing that hasn't been done before, probably with a little less recoil and barrel erosion.

So what is your point? I really just said Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!! here is a new round. The 243 shoots better on paper to a point. Dale

 

[Dalescarpentry]

Ok you will have to provide what grain bullets you showed in your graf. We are really dealing with nickles and dimes here. Dale

 

[jvs]

Ok you will have to provide what grain bullets you showed in your graf. We are really dealing with nickles and dimes here. Dale

I didn't just fall off a Turnip Truck. When I first read the link, the ballistics looked a little familiar. I used the same bullet as the link did, and I could have posted results for both lighter and heavier bullets out to 1,000 yds in Hornady AND others. I recently went through all of this before I bought my 6.5 Rem Mag last year.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing new Ballistically. Any comparison in the link from the rags is to a .260 is casing and overall length and angle of the shoulder. As a 6.5mm is .264 no matter which way you look at itand the .264 Win Mag and the 6.5mm Rem Mag are both superior to this round in both velocity and trajectory. So for hunting purposes, this caliber is already covered unless you need something for the middle ground.

It looks to me that they are trying to come up with another shorter-single shot round for Competition Shooters, just as the article said, with POSSIBLY a crossover to Hunting.

It may eventually compete with the 6mm PPC from the Bench which is a whole different and usually profitable market, but I don't see a real demand as yet as a hunting caliber, although at a suggested MSRP of $22 a box it is MUCH cheaper to shoot than the Mags. But a caliber with no rifle production, except Custom Made (like the PPC), I am not surprised.

IF this round is easier on the Baby-Boomers shoulders and causes less throat erosion (as posted) it becomes an easier sell, other than that it is old and slower news for the hunter, and holds no more promise or performance for the .264's than the exotic Marlin Express does for the 30 calibers.

It does show that Hornady is willing to take the necessary chances on hitting it big, which is admirable. It might work in a very limited market (just like the .308 M/E). There isn't much of that going around today for the serious shooter.

I would like to see one at the range when the BR's are there so I can see it at work and ask questions, but I am not about to scurry out and have a Creedmoor built.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

YAWN----just the .260 Rem in new clothes.

Notice in their comparison chart they didn't compare directly to the .260 and compared to the .308 instead.

FLOP!!!!!!

 

[IOWA DON]

Did anyone notice the information in small letters? The ballistics were for a 28-inch test barrel. Let's see, why would a hunter think a short action is important and then go with a 28-inch barrel? What velocity could one get with other 6.5 MM cartridges with a 28-inch barrel?

 

[jvs]

I don't think I would call it a 'flop' this early in the game. From my understanding of the Elite group of people who consider themselves Bench Rest Shooters, this caliber may get a limited and short term following. If the BR's all have one thing in common, it is trying new fangled stuff and finding out if it works. If it doesn't, they have no bones about writing a letter explaining why it doesn't. If it does work, then Hornady and Mr. Creedmoor hits the Long Ball. Obviously, it is worth the gamble.

I know alot of people who dabble in guns in one form or another, and the Elitists are the only ones at this point who I think may try it. I know I have neither the time nor the money to get involved in the Creedmoor. (which may basically tell you who BR's are and who may buy the caliber)

 

[Graybeard]

I don't think it will be viable in bench rest competition as it has way too much case capacity. Long range target shooting or maybe even silhouette shooting NOT benchrest is what they are aiming for. The .22 and 6mm PPC rule the roost in Benchrest and will continue to do so for a long long time.

 

[jvs]

I don't think it will be viable in bench rest competition as it has way too much case capacity. Long range target shooting or maybe even silhouette shooting NOT benchrest is what they are aiming for. The .22 and 6mm PPC rule the roost in Benchrest and will continue to do so for a long long time.

You are probably right, case capacity is right up there with the mags(which has me puzzled about the 'throat erosion' claim). And since I personally have no experience in either competition target shooting or silhouette shooting, and have somewhat limited knowledge of BR shooting (except when I hang around during meets-asking dumb questions), this round is not something I am interested in at this time......

Unless I happen to hit tonights Powerball.

Then it will be a completely different story.

 

[Coyote Hunter]

I have to agree the 308 Marlin does nothing the regular 308 doesn't as for the other two you mentioned I know nothing about them.

Other than one important thing - it comes chambered in a Marlin, something you are not going to see with a .308 Win and it's 52,000 CUP SAMMI pressure standard. The .308 Marlin has a lower SAAMI pressure.

 

[Coyote Hunter]

You guys that are grousing about the 6.5 Creedmore because the mags offer better ballistics or the .260 offers more case capacity are missing the point.

The 6.5 Creedmore is a cartridge designed with one purpose in mind - competition. Its not designed to offer maximum velocity, nor is it designed for hunting. Its designed to allow long bullets to be seated further out of the case while maintaining the same maximum COL as a .308 Win - making it useful in the magazines of AR-type rifles.

This is definitely not a cartridge I will be buying a rifle for but I'm not going to be grousing about it either. Cripes - do you fellas bitch about cars coming in new colors every year too?

 

[IRA51]

Got to agree with Greybeard,the 6 PPC is going to be hard to beat in bench rest. I'm a real big 6.5x55 fan and see no reason to get excited about a New 6.5.

 

[cheesehead]

It is all about what CH said,,,"COL"...

Cheese