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Like it makes any sense to have a person running for office (Pence) deciding who wins (which votes count).
He can't, but he can choose to not accept the electoral votes in the contested states saying that Biden is the legal winner. Which he clearly wasn't. Based on the evidence of election fraud and irregularities. This will only set other steps in motion. It doesn't make sense either that a large number of Americans that hate America were **** bent on cheating, and foreign countries get to decide who wins. We will see if Pence has the backbone to do the right thing and not accept Biden as the winner of the contested states. There is rumors that Pence is set to leave the country for Israel, right after the count. What that means who knows.
 

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I'm sure Pence has the backbone, what he doesn't have is "evidence". There have been at least 60 instances of election fraud being presented in court with ZERO victories. Better get going, you only have four days to produce some legitimate "evidence".
Once he certifies the Electoral College vote it will be interesting to see how the next chapter in the ever changing election fraud conspiracy theory evolves. Probably too late to accuse Santa Claus but the Easter Bunny would afford several months of scathing accusations.
 
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"When the Berlin Wall was standing there was a stark contrast of what the biggest difference in socialism and capitalism."

West Germany was pretty darn socialist at the time. East Germany was a communist dictatorship.

If the definition of socialism is Germany east of Checkpoint Charlie, I say no thank you to that.

If socialism means more people can see the Doctor, I wouldn't mind a bit more West Germany (they use private insurance carriers for their medical insurance, but everyone receives care.)
poor in this country have medicate. better insurance then any of us have. No deductibles no co pays. No emergency room can turn away someone because they dont have insurance. About the only coverage people dont have now is routine doctor appoints to pill shop and the paranoid people that go to the doctor every time they have the sniffles or a hang nail. Nope we dont have socialist medical care. What does that mean. If i get cancer and need to see a doctor or have chemo I call the doctor and am in in a couple weeks. Why? Because i worked hard all my life to have that privilage. Why should someone that was a bum all there life and lived off my tax dollar get preferencial care before me. Go to even canada and get cancer and wait 6 months in line to get treatment because all the bums are in line ahead of you that you supported all there lives. Look at the absolute mess the canadian health care system is in and the value of there money and the taxes they pay. Is that what you want?? When these hospitals have to give everyone free care and start going broke whos going to make up the differnce to keep them afloat? Think the doctors are going to start working for minimum wage?? Heath care is a business. Just like a car manufacture. Cant afford to buy a car tough ****. Didnt have the ambition to get a job that had medical coverage tough ****. retire before your eligible for medicare and dont have coverage? Whos fault this that?? Didnt want to leave your home town and settled for a dead end job? Whos fault is that?? If you cant afford to take your kid to the doctor because of any of these reasons, WHOS FAULT IS THAT!! I SURE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO A DOCTOR! Want free medical?? you should have left home and joined the army. Thats your freedom. Free medical for all is just another welfare program. The gold standard for a socialist agenda.
 

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LIberalism is resorting to taxing those who wish to leave their utopian states. Liberalism is nothing but communism in sheeps clothing. California should be the land of milk and honey but they have to resort to taxing those leaving ? New York will also have to resort to that to stop the people that are tired of supporting the " big apple". Illinois has resorted to huge taxes when you sell your house.

By the way I think the " Election Fraud thing " will work better for us that the Russian Hoax your side conjured up for 4 years with absolutely NO evidence.
 

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"poor in this country have medicate. better insurance then any of us have. No deductibles no co pays. No emergency room can turn away someone because they dont have insurance. About the only coverage people dont have now is routine doctor appoints to pill shop and the paranoid people that go to the doctor every time they have the sniffles or a hang nail. Nope we dont have socialist medical care. What does that mean. If i get cancer and need to see a doctor or have chemo I call the doctor and am in in a couple weeks. Why? Because i worked hard all my life to have that privilage. Why should someone that was a bum all there life and lived off my tax dollar get preferencial care before me. Go to even canada and get cancer and wait 6 months in line to get treatment because all the bums are in line ahead of you that you supported all there lives. Look at the absolute mess the canadian health care system is in and the value of there money and the taxes they pay. Is that what you want?? When these hospitals have to give everyone free care and start going broke whos going to make up the differnce to keep them afloat? Think the doctors are going to start working for minimum wage?? Heath care is a business. Just like a car manufacture. Cant afford to buy a car tough *. Didnt have the ambition to get a job that had medical coverage tough *. retire before your eligible for medicare and dont have coverage? Whos fault this that?? Didnt want to leave your home town and settled for a dead end job? Whos fault is that?? If you cant afford to take your kid to the doctor because of any of these reasons, WHOS FAULT IS THAT!! I SURE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO A DOCTOR! Want free medical?? you should have left home and joined the army. Thats your freedom. Free medical for all is just another welfare program. The gold standard for a socialist agenda."

You don't know your ass in this context. Germany doesn't have free healthcare, they use private insurance companies. Everyone pays to get insurance. Everyone gets to see the doctor, even laborers that contract Covid.

In this country you wait months to see a specialist. rheumatologist? 6 months, Heart Doc, 3 months, Ortho, 2 months. And that's with good insurance thru the government. They don't take Medicaid Patients either. This country's health care costs many times more than others and the product people get is often worse. People shouldn't be bankrupt for a snake bite or a helicopter/ambulance ride to the hospital. Greed has overwhelmed the health care system in the US and real capitalism can't function to depress prices.

Trump's only response to all this was to try to break insurance even further. He goes golfing while 350,000 people die of corona virus. Sure, he gets antibodies no one else gets.

Not treating people with the virus cause they made poor life choices threatens everyone health and livelihoods. Such extreme selfishness is stupid from a financial and national security standpoint.
 

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You don't know your ass in this context. Germany doesn't have free healthcare, they use private insurance companies. Everyone pays to get insurance. Everyone gets to see the doctor, even laborers that contract Covid.

In this country you wait months to see a specialist. rheumatologist? 6 months, Heart Doc, 3 months, Ortho, 2 months. And that's with good insurance thru the government. They don't take Medicaid Patients either. This country's health care costs many times more than others and the product people get is often worse. People shouldn't be bankrupt for a snake bite or a helicopter/ambulance ride to the hospital. Greed has overwhelmed the health care system in the US and real capitalism can't function to depress prices.

Trump's only response to all this was to try to break insurance even further. He goes golfing while 350,000 people die of corona virus. Sure, he gets antibodies no one else gets.

Not treating people with the virus cause they made poor life choices threatens everyone health and livelihoods. Such extreme selfishness is stupid from a financial and national security standpoint.
Sounds like you need to brush up on some things.
first off, COVID has a greater than 99% survival rate, the majority of the country already had it without notice. The independent studies in LA and NYC proved that but the MSM and the social media didn't run those stories because that would have reduced the fearmongering that the Leftist wanted, and still want.

We do NOT have real capitalism in America, we have Crony Capitalism. Crony Capitalism is when the government gets involved and screws it up. If we were to have a real capitalist society things would balance out... but corrupt leftist politicians don't want that to happen.

with those wait times it sounds like you are in Canada.

are you sure about that 350,000? because there is a very noticeable drop in all other deaths in America... everything is being called a COVID death even when the person who died never had COVID and was not even tested for COVID. Lets not forget the leftists telling us that they were calling everything a COVID death.
Lets not forget the multimillion dollar emergency areas that were set up to receive the mass influx of six people... these sites were never used.
lets not forget the hospital ships that the leftist media said would not arrive on site (NYC) for weeks or moths ( they actively denied that the ship was on the way even as the ship was sailing up the river). The ship wasn't used.
Lets not forget the 15,000 or so ventilators that Cuomo deliberately kept in storage while saying Trump was refusing to send them ventilators, as Trump was sending all the ventilators he had access to to the states that needed them.
And lets not forget Cuomo sending COVID sick people to live in the nursing homes of the HIGHLY vulnerable, causing a huge die off of elderly people. Cuomo needs to face the death penalty for that one.
 

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"poor in this country have medicate. better insurance then any of us have. No deductibles no co pays. No emergency room can turn away someone because they dont have insurance. About the only coverage people dont have now is routine doctor appoints to pill shop and the paranoid people that go to the doctor every time they have the sniffles or a hang nail. Nope we dont have socialist medical care. What does that mean. If i get cancer and need to see a doctor or have chemo I call the doctor and am in in a couple weeks. Why? Because i worked hard all my life to have that privilage. Why should someone that was a bum all there life and lived off my tax dollar get preferencial care before me. Go to even canada and get cancer and wait 6 months in line to get treatment because all the bums are in line ahead of you that you supported all there lives. Look at the absolute mess the canadian health care system is in and the value of there money and the taxes they pay. Is that what you want?? When these hospitals have to give everyone free care and start going broke whos going to make up the differnce to keep them afloat? Think the doctors are going to start working for minimum wage?? Heath care is a business. Just like a car manufacture. Cant afford to buy a car tough *. Didnt have the ambition to get a job that had medical coverage tough *. retire before your eligible for medicare and dont have coverage? Whos fault this that?? Didnt want to leave your home town and settled for a dead end job? Whos fault is that?? If you cant afford to take your kid to the doctor because of any of these reasons, WHOS FAULT IS THAT!! I SURE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO A DOCTOR! Want free medical?? you should have left home and joined the army. Thats your freedom. Free medical for all is just another welfare program. The gold standard for a socialist agenda."

You don't know your ass in this context. Germany doesn't have free healthcare, they use private insurance companies. Everyone pays to get insurance. Everyone gets to see the doctor, even laborers that contract Covid.

In this country you wait months to see a specialist. rheumatologist? 6 months, Heart Doc, 3 months, Ortho, 2 months. And that's with good insurance thru the government. They don't take Medicaid Patients either. This country's health care costs many times more than others and the product people get is often worse. People shouldn't be bankrupt for a snake bite or a helicopter/ambulance ride to the hospital. Greed has overwhelmed the health care system in the US and real capitalism can't function to depress prices.

Trump's only response to all this was to try to break insurance even further. He goes golfing while 350,000 people die of corona virus. Sure, he gets antibodies no one else gets.

Not treating people with the virus cause they made poor life choices threatens everyone health and livelihoods. Such extreme selfishness is stupid from a financial and national security standpoint.
So a millionaire like trump that made his money on his own ambition should NOT PLAY GOLF. He should sit and eat mac and cheese because someone has covid!! HE HAD COVID! I think thats pretty personal. What about you. Did you give up all your hobbies and sell your guns and donate the money to the poor or to covid victims? Because i worked hard and had good insurance (that i paid for) should i get in line behind someone who decided to live off the tax payers? He earned his right to go and play a game of golf if he wants. You didnt have to pay for it! that you think you deserve everything that he has just shows the socialist in you.

You want good medical care? Go get a good job and pay for it just like i did. You want to go and play golf, have a nice boat, a private plane ect. then do what he did to get it. He sure owes you no applogy. He sure isnt some career politician that got rich off taking political money under the table like biden and his son. He earned his money BEFORE he was in office. He didnt even take his salary. Boggles my mind that some think some girl thats only career was getting knocked up 3 times by differnt fathers deserves the same priviliages in this country as someone who works hard 40 hours or more a week for 40 years. Especially when the statistics say that most likely those 3 kids will do the same.

RIGHT NOW TODAY theres no excuse for not working. Theres jobs everywhere. Most companys are in a panic because they cant find workers and yet you want to pay lazy people to stay home and give them the best medical care I CAN AFFORD TO GIVE THEM! Heck last i heard the recruiting centers were taking applicants too. How many healthy young men and women that could join the army are sitting there living on my tax dollar with there hand out because somehow idiots think there owed something. Last i heard the army had a pretty good medical plan. but i doubt someone like you would know about that.
 

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So that is your proof for no election fraud? Pathetic, and may I add funny. I'm really curious as to why you and others voted for Biden. Especially people associated with this forum. What is it you like about Biden/Harris? Is it because they are the most anti gun candidates in American history? Is it because they support and plan on dumping more tax dollars into the murder of our unborn children? Is it because they plan on implementing an open border policy to continue our march to a third world nation? Is it because they want to hop back in bed with communist China? Or is it that the media has you brain washed?
So now elected officials have to prove they were not elected fraudulently? Why haven’t other elected officials fought their losses like President Trump. I have to ask why you love Trump who says maybe we can inject bleach or disinfectant‘s. Get light into the body. Come up with 11,870 V in Georgia.
John McCain is not a hero because he was captured.
I am associated with this forum mostly for the ability to share ideas regarding hunting and shooting sports. I think we need to control who has Cambria capable weaponry i.e. criminal background checks. Once Biden and Harris are in guns and ammunition will become more of the allowable because people won’t be freaking out. The hide amendment is supposed to protect taxpayers from paying for medically unnecessary abortions. I am a man and if we could get pregnant I’d went that abortion option available. It’s legal in Israel who Trump loves so much.
I am not for open borders but controlled immigration is good when I was in the tree business my last year I had an ad for laborers I got 54 Mexicans with green cards and six local college kids for $16.50 an hour. After two weeks I was down to 54 Mexicans who work their asses off.
The Republicans hopped in bed with China when Nixon was president. As a Vietnam veteran I hate China and Russia for their aide to the NVA.
I’m not brainwashed but I do use my brain. My main draw to the Democrats is their historical support of labor, public education, and public services that our society needs.
Thank you for your well articulated opinion. If you and the rest of the non-Democrats prefer to only hear at a boy , Slap on the back reinforcement just say so and I won’t bother you any more. Happy new year
 

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"poor in this country have medicate. better insurance then any of us have. No deductibles no co pays. No emergency room can turn away someone because they dont have insurance. About the only coverage people dont have now is routine doctor appoints to pill shop and the paranoid people that go to the doctor every time they have the sniffles or a hang nail. Nope we dont have socialist medical care. What does that mean. If i get cancer and need to see a doctor or have chemo I call the doctor and am in in a couple weeks. Why? Because i worked hard all my life to have that privilage. Why should someone that was a bum all there life and lived off my tax dollar get preferencial care before me. Go to even canada and get cancer and wait 6 months in line to get treatment because all the bums are in line ahead of you that you supported all there lives. Look at the absolute mess the canadian health care system is in and the value of there money and the taxes they pay. Is that what you want?? When these hospitals have to give everyone free care and start going broke whos going to make up the differnce to keep them afloat? Think the doctors are going to start working for minimum wage?? Heath care is a business. Just like a car manufacture. Cant afford to buy a car tough *. Didnt have the ambition to get a job that had medical coverage tough *. retire before your eligible for medicare and dont have coverage? Whos fault this that?? Didnt want to leave your home town and settled for a dead end job? Whos fault is that?? If you cant afford to take your kid to the doctor because of any of these reasons, WHOS FAULT IS THAT!! I SURE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO A DOCTOR! Want free medical?? you should have left home and joined the army. Thats your freedom. Free medical for all is just another welfare program. The gold standard for a socialist agenda."

You don't know your ass in this context. Germany doesn't have free healthcare, they use private insurance companies. Everyone pays to get insurance. Everyone gets to see the doctor, even laborers that contract Covid.

In this country you wait months to see a specialist. rheumatologist? 6 months, Heart Doc, 3 months, Ortho, 2 months. And that's with good insurance thru the government. They don't take Medicaid Patients either. This country's health care costs many times more than others and the product people get is often worse. People shouldn't be bankrupt for a snake bite or a helicopter/ambulance ride to the hospital. Greed has overwhelmed the health care system in the US and real capitalism can't function to depress prices.

Trump's only response to all this was to try to break insurance even further. He goes golfing while 350,000 people die of corona virus. Sure, he gets antibodies no one else gets.

Not treating people with the virus cause they made poor life choices threatens everyone health and livelihoods. Such extreme selfishness is stupid from a financial and national security standpoint.
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One anonymous whistle blower was enough to send the democrats into an endless frenzy to attempt to impeach the president, but 1000's of sworn affidavits, video evidence, many fraudulent ballots, and unexplainable number of voters above those registered is not worth investigating, because the media declared Biden the winner.
 

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Have you listened to Trump’s hour long call to fellow Republicans in Georgia? The State of Georgia not the media declared Biden the winner
 
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Have you listened to Trump’s hour long call to fellow Republicans in Georgia? The State of Georgia not the media declared Biden the winner
Yes I did hear it. Trump now has them on tape lying. The truth is going to come out. You must have had your head buried somewhere, because the media has claimed Biden the president 100's of times, from Nov. 3 onward.
 

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Im saying so so are you gone now:rolleyes:
Sure Lloyd, I know you are looking for affirmation not honesty. You need information sugar coated and to be agreeable and go along with you. It’s much easier that way.
I’m sorry you have such a bad case of information intake bias. Take care and good luck to you.
 

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I’m not brainwashed but I do use my brain. My main draw to the Democrats is their historical support of labor, public education, and public services that our society needs.
Don't forget that the left has a long and "distinguished" history of fighting for slavery, segregation and just general enslavement of anyone who doesn't think like them. Just look at them today... they are demanding Segregation again. They just call it something else these days.
Just look at how the leftists treat any person of color who chose to leave the democrat "plantation". Look at how many of them were assaulted by leftists just for going to a Trump rally in the last 4 years.
Just look at how the leftists tell people of color that they are incompetent and that they "need" the help of the government. The left loves to tell them that they are too stupid to work, too stupid to get an ID card to vote, too stupid to make their own choices.
That doesn't happen on the right. We just want everyone to be able to have a job, all able bodied people should be working instead of waiting on the government handout.
The left hasn't had a good public service plan in decades... FDR was the last one who actually followed through (only partly) on that idea. Look at Obamas "shovel ready jobs" program, that was nothing more than a money laundering scheme to funnel money from the tax payer to DNC "friendly" businesses to donate a majority of that tax payer handout to the DNC.
 

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Sure Lloyd, I know you are looking for affirmation not honesty. You need information sugar coated and to be agreeable and go along with you. It’s much easier that way.
I’m sorry you have such a bad case of information intake bias. Take care and good luck to you.
no what im looking for is simple. You socialist finding a different place to hang out where your warped opinions are wanted. They arent here. If you doubt it count your "likes" that came from anyone but the half a dozen other liberals here. Maybe you guys can start your own fourm. call it hunting with sticks. You could have a section discussing bag limits for unborn babies. Or discuss what your HUSBAND cooked for supper. you could have a blm section and an antifa section. Maybe you could even get pelosi to moderate so your absolutely sure the truth in matters will never come out. Maybe hunter could lead the hunting site. Call it hunting for dollars and you could get the chinese to advertise on it. First rule should be dont dare mention GOD.
 
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