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For your information the Pa. Supreme court is not a legislative body. Their rulings clearly went against Constitutional law. As the fraud evidence mounts day by day, you continue lying to yourself. We will see what happens Jan. 6 moving forward.
hard for a socialist to grasp that simple concept.
Don't Work - Don't Eat!
And that applies to the millions of children whose parents are out of work . I’m starting to like the way you think.
 

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Can't support the 17 'chilren' you already squeezed out - DONT PROCREATE.
yes sir. Im not responisble for the feeding of your kids. i went in the service for 8 years came out and got (WAIT) a JOB and fed my own. I didnt hang around my home town collecting welfare. Feed your own kids and raise them to be responsible enough to feed theres!!! In what world should i be responsible for feeding some crack whores kids she cranked out to get welfare!!!!! If ANIMAL feels responsible for them then invite them all over for supper at his house. Doubt hed want them even in his neighborhood but has no problem having them in someone elses. Theres also food banks if he feels guilty. Most likely he was raised in one of those familys himself.

Heck looks like in his avatar he has a nice boat. (I DONT) Maybe sell that and give the money to the welfare trash in his town. But then like most liberals he wants these things but wants us to pay for it. ME? i worked dammed hard for what i have and that option was open to everyone and dont owe ANYONE a dime of my money. Sure not my fault some **** couldnt keep her legs closed. Let her parents feed those grandkids. If my kids need help they come to me not the welfare office. Parents out of work? Send them to Munising. Theres help wanted signs in ever buisness in town. I know two contractors that have been turning down jobs because they cant get employees. These are entry level jobs with on the job training and pay 15 bucks an hour starting pay and they run adds in the paper every week and NOBODY responds.
 

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Lots of two-edged swords in these arguments. Kids are not at fault that parents are deadbeats. Malnourished kids do not do well in school. Dropouts have a high risk of becoming social problems at best and criminals at worst. The realpolitik question is: Is it cheaper to feed kids and keep them in school than it would be to deal with them as less than successful adolescents and adults??? Just sayin'
On the face of things, it's not fair that those of us who got an education ( I washed dishes in the college cafeteria, worked retail on holidays and summers, and made cardboard boxes for auto dash gauges second shift to pay for school) and then worked for a living are burdened with supporting in one way or another those who did not. But the cost of not contributing to the welfare of kids with potential to become successful citizens may be far greater.
 

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Lots of two-edged swords in these arguments. Kids are not at fault that parents are deadbeats. Malnourished kids do not do well in school. Dropouts have a high risk of becoming social problems at best and criminals at worst. The realpolitik question is: Is it cheaper to feed kids and keep them in school than it would be to deal with them as less than successful adolescents and adults??? Just sayin'
On the face of things, it's not fair that those of us who got an education ( I washed dishes in the college cafeteria, worked retail on holidays and summers, and made cardboard boxes for auto dash gauges second shift to pay for school) and then worked for a living are burdened with supporting in one way or another those who did not. But the cost of not contributing to the welfare of kids with potential to become successful citizens may be far greater.
A better option (in addition to helping the kids) is to tell any and ALL people who first go on welfare, the number of kids you have at this moment is all you will be paid by the government for, if you have any more kids that's on you to deal with, you will NOT get any more money for extra kids. Even if you come off welfare and reapply just to add the extra kids.

Then there are people who say that this will just encourage people to have as many kids as possible as young as possible. As we see that problem creeping up, that gets shut down. People will only receive welfare for themselves.

That's the real reason people have so many kids while on welfare, they get paid more for each kid. We have to remove the incentive. We NEED to teach kids the right way to live again, if you want nice things in life you need to WORK for it. Teaching kids that it is morally right to force the working class to support their laziness is wrong. Pay attention in school so you can be a functional member of society, instead of a drain on resources.

(another incentive to stay on welfare is the fact that every year they can use their welfare money for more and more nonessential items. there is no reason for someone on welfare to be able to buy cigarettes, alcohol, energy drinks, lobster, steak... and before someone twists that and starts yelling "you don't think they should eat meat", they can still buy ground hamburger. Nor should they have smartphones or BMWs or anything else like that. If someone has a fancy car, cell phone, TV etc... they should be pulled off of welfare immediately and forever.)

Also, I believe that the only people that should be allowed to vote are people that pay income tax.
If you are retired and don't pay taxes for some reason, as long as you worked your entire life and paid taxes during that time, you would be exempt from this policy.
If someone (a US Citizen) on welfare wants to vote they can choose to check the box that they want to vote when filling out their welfare request. This will start payroll taxes on their welfare checks, this will give them the qualification to vote. Again, to weed out the scammers, the ones who would go to the welfare office a week before the election and check the box to pay taxes so they can vote in the upcoming election in a week, there would be a 4 year waiting period before you can vote, unless you checked that box the first day you applied, or you got a job that takes income taxes out of your paycheck.

Remember, welfare is meant to help those in need... it is NOT a lifestyle choice.

(No one in America gave a **** about illegal immigrants in America until leftists started to give them Welfare, driver's licenses, free medical, and the "right" to vote.)
 

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yes sir. Im not responisble for the feeding of your kids. i went in the service for 8 years came out and got (WAIT) a JOB and fed my own. I didnt hang around my home town collecting welfare. Feed your own kids and raise them to be responsible enough to feed theres!!! In what world should i be responsible for feeding some crack whores kids she cranked out to get welfare!!!!!
Lots of two-edged swords in these arguments. Kids are not at fault that parents are deadbeats. Malnourished kids do not do well in school. Dropouts have a high risk of becoming social problems at best and criminals at worst. The realpolitik question is: Is it cheaper to feed kids and keep them in school than it would be to deal with them as less than successful adolescents and adults??? Just sayin'
On the face of things, it's not fair that those of us who got an education ( I washed dishes in the college cafeteria, worked retail on holidays and summers, and made cardboard boxes for auto dash gauges second shift to pay for school) and then worked for a living are burdened with supporting in one way or another those who did not. But the cost of not contributing to the welfare of kids with potential to become successful citizens may be far greater.
nope it isnt the kids fault. But it isnt mine either. Like i said ill feed my kids and grandkids and you feed yours. You can feed them filet for breakfast and comming from those homes there still going to be social problems and criminals. many years ago my dad went to school. He went with a lard sandwich because his dad died and his mother struggled. HE had one pair of shoes and no boots and 134 you can appreciate that because he lived in cedarville and it gets awful cold there. He made it just fine. he didnt sell drugs or steal money. What it gave him was a dammed strong worth ethic. He knew he wanted better. His ma couldnt get welfare because it didnt exist then. So instead of laying on the couch smoking crack she busted her but doing anything she could to feed her 9 kids NINE! Ill give you my dads phone number if you want and he can tell you that nobody starved even then.

You get hungry enough you do something about it. It wasnt even like it is now back then. There wasnt help wanted signs everywhere. Heck part of that time period was the depression. Nobody could get jobs. People have become soft in modern times. Way to use to handouts. Generations of welfare trash thats schooled in welfare not in the schools. You may think im hard and calloused but if you talked to people who know me and my neighbors youd find im a very generous man. If some kid legitimately hungry came to my door hed leave with a full belly. But that would be my choice. Not a socialist goverment forcing me to do it. If you look at the bums on welfare today (at least around here) youd see a very small part of that money goes to feeding kids. Most of it is pissed away.

You want to feed the children ill even compromise. IF A PARENT IS WORKING (and if there capable they sure should be) and doesnt make enough to pay the bills and still put food on the table, keep the food stamp program. But that said we need accountability. People go on welfare and nobody checks what there money is spent on or if there trying to find work. Make it work like this. Submit your bills each month from the previous month. Make them keep receipts for everything they spent. Make them each month show that they legitimately tried to find work not went fishing. They could even work it so that there rent and utilitys are paid by welfare and they get food stamps to eat. THAT IS ALL THEY SHOULD GET! They dont need nice cars 4 wheelers, snowmobiles DRUGS AND ALCOHOL!! Put limits on it. Tell them we feel for there being out of work. But this program will pay your bills for 6 months period. Anyone in this country today thats not disabled can find a job in 6 months. Theres probably not a burger king or Mc Donalds in this country not hiring today.

Heck i just heard my son in laws nephew tell me he quit his (good paying) job because he came in late twice and the boss had the audacity to chew him out in front of other people. Said he could make as much going back on unemployement anyway. He told me that like he was proud he stood up to that tyrannical boss. I shook my head and asked why he was late. He said he overslept. That is the work ethic the young have today. WHY? because they know they dont have to work. They know this socialist system will feed and take care of them anyway. In what world does a system like that make sense to you???? No its not the kids fault the parents are deadbeats. But in fact there just in training to be the next generation of dead beats and as long as we pay those deadbeats to pump out more kids the problem will just grow and grow. pretty soon even the hard workers thats taxes go higher and higher to pay for socialisms are going to throw there hands in the air and surrender and break out the crack pipe themselves. Anyone with an IQ of over 60 should be able to see that the system is broke. The unbelievable thing is the democrats want to even expand these programs. Heck even feed people illegaly in this country. Even want them to qualify for these stupid stimulus checks. people are to dumb to even see all those checks are is polititains tools to buy votes. Heck we even have half this country who doesnt need that money willing to sell out there vote to get 2000 dollars and that my friend is GOING to make it harder on the next generation of kids. How many will starve because the value of the dollar crashes??

This LONG post isnt political jockeying. ITS FACT. You need to open your eyes and realize that its a cancer and you dont cure cancer by putting a bigger bandaid on it. You cure it by cutting it out!! Yup theres some recovery time and its not all going to be pleasant for some. Matter of fact some might suffer. But if this country is going to survive it needs surgery!! Its a simple line in the sand. IF theres jobs go earn a living. If your grandkid doesnt have food feed him! If you cant feed him then youd best look in the mirror and ask yourself why!! Not look to me to feed them for you.
 

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All those protestors involved that we all branded Republicans,were they all verified as Republicans or are we just fooled once more?
 

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enough of your pot stirring
Factual facts??
You mean the ones that were discredited in 60 court challenges?
The ones that are going to overturn the election?
I think you mean the ones that will keep disgruntled voters believing a conspiracy theory for the next four years
 

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I think you mean the ones that will keep disgruntled voters believing a conspiracy theory for the next four years
That was you folks and your "Russian collusion".
The only Russian collusion that was proven was that of the leftists in government.
 

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It's a shame how many members fed into this retarded trolls post. Makes him seem like the smart one
Its funny to get them stirred up with facts and watch them talk to themselves... Megalodon being the most recent addition to the leftists talking to themselves.
 

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Factual facts??
You mean the ones that were discredited in 60 court challenges?
The ones that are going to overturn the election?
I think you mean the ones that will keep disgruntled voters believing a conspiracy theory for the next four years
Ae my friend,I understand it is just hard for you to grasp.Let me start with something way less complicated.Now I know you wont by the first time,so watch it about 7 yes seven times,and if you cant figure we will get you something less complicated to watch again,but at least try this one cause I have faith in you.

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Why is this post marked with "enough of your pot stirring"? Did the author include that, or was that added by a "moderator"?

Pterodactyl is simply stating known, verified information. Is it not acceptable to "stir the pot" in discussions with actual facts (or, if you prefer, "factual facts")? The only thing he got wrong was stating that it was 60 court cases - it was apparently only 59. In one case, they actually won - over some tiny, minor, inconsequential detail that had no relevance whatsoever to the bigger picture.
It was done by me. Care to join him.
 

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Seems to me that about half the voters in this country don't listen to much news. They get it on most of the TV news stations and maybe the newspapers. The other half listens to FOX News and watches a lot, and maybe to Rush Limbaugh. I think the first half doesn't listen to FOX at all as they hear FOX has false news. Most of the FOX listeners used to watch the others news stations. I listen to both. Many times I hear a story on the regular news stations saying what Trump said. Then I hear about it on FOX where they show Trump saying it but it was actually satirical or taken out of context. I retired from the Corps of Engineers and was required to take "media training". That was because I was a technical person (mechanical engineer) and on some assignments might meet up with the media. The training stressed how us technical people should say little besides how we are here to help the people or build a good project and refer the media to our own medea people. We were told that there were some people in the media who hated the Corps and would snip a little of what we might say and use it out of context. Many times the "mainstream media" has done that to Trump. I think Trump could use a little of that training I had to take and can't understand why he doesn't always only talk a well rehearsed speech. I think that would have saved him a lot of trouble. Also, like any engineer I took a class on probability and statistics in college. And if only a very few voters are republicans it is easy to show that it is extremely unlikely for thousands of votes to suddenly show up, all for Biden. For those not having training in probability and statistics, I think I can explain it so any serious shooter could understand. For example, one can sometimes shoot a very small group with an inaccurate rifle if shooting 2-shot or 3-shot groups, but getting a small 10-shot group out of and inaccurate rifle very, very, very unlikely. FOX news reported thousands of votes coming in in different places, all for Biden, but I don't think that report was challenged by the other media. As far as being able to hack the computers used to tally up the votes, I am not a computer guy so cannot argue that point. Another example of my not trusting the "mass media" is that FOX showed fires and riots in one of the major US cities and I listened to NPR for their report on that subject. They said that there were demonstrations in that city and their were unsubstantiated reports of rioting and many reports of police brutality. Citizens cannot be everywhere the news takes place but from what I've seen, FOX versus the "mass Media", I tend to trust FOX and distrust the "mass media".
 

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I’m an engineer also, albeit just a lowly civil engineer. I think TV is part of the problem because everything is delivered in little sound bites so I haven’t had a TV in 25 years. I get my information from sources with a history of following journalistic rules. Things like verification of what one is going to report, trying to present news in an unbiased manner, etc. Written material can go into greater depth than TV.
In the case of voter fraud I’ve looked to the professionals, the people paid to organize the election, maintain and monitor the machines, people from both parties. They’re not the ones screaming fraud.
My analogy: It’s the guys who look at the one flyer in a ten shot group where all but one are touching and use that one shot to claim that the gun is inaccurate who are the problem.
It doesn’t help when those who’s guy wasn’t elected and even the guy himself give false information credibility.
Dominion Voting Systems is suing Sidney Sheldon for defamation. This will be one more chance for the voting fraud group to present their evidence against the machines. I don’t expect any new revelations.
 

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I will continue to delete post. You guys might want to get it into your heads that you and your opinions arent wanted and the trolling wont be tolerated by me. I will continue to delete posts until the management takes that right away from me. this used to be a good place until all the liberal trolls came out of the woodwork.
 
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