Well, actually, I caught one napping on a hillside in the warm sun and was rude enough to shoot it without any warning whatsoever. :grin: The guide told me the shot was about 85 yards, I have a lot of trouble guestimating distance once I leave the range with all them nice signs! This all happened in Monterey County, BTW, here in the PRC and the guide, out of King City, was Mark Williams who did a good job of getting me onto a hog on my last chance before heading home. I used my Winchester Modle 70 30-06 loaded with a 200 gr. Speer Grand Slam stoked to about 2700 fps. The pig was laying down pointed away from me at about 45 degrees and I put the bullet into its neck and it exited about two inches below the left ear. There was NO MOVEMENT whatsoever from the critter, not even a flinch, for about 15 seconds and then it rolled down hill into the bottom of the gulch, about 20 feet I'd say. As soon as my shot rang out a whole pack of pigs flew out of that gulch and headed uphill towards us. Mark took one with a 300 WSM using a Winchester 150 gr. Ballistic Silver Tip. That bullet ruined so much meat it was practically criminal. Mark had never used that gun/bullet combination before and has sworn off ballistic tips for hogs. In a day or two I'll have some photos posted on a separate site and I'll supply the address to anybody who e-mails me requesting it.