I know some CAS shooters use blackpowder. I wonder why because of all the additional clean-up necessary. Already I have 2 revolvers, a shotgun and rifle to clean. Not knocking it just don't understand it.
Someone explain please,
First let me say YES! It is worth every bit of extra effort!!!!
Next let me say that there isn't that much extra effort, just clean with hot soapy water, then lube with a nonpetroleum lube.
The only "extra effort" is loading. I shoot frontier cartridge, frequently the only one at the clubs where I shoot, but I wouldn't change for anything, except maybe for a couple of cap-n-ball pistols. It isn't possible
to be competitive with a comparable shooter, even if he is using hot (hot for cas) loads, so if competitiveness with other shooters is what you consider the fun part of the sport, then black powder probably isn't going to be your cup of tea. If wrestling 35-40 grains of black powder behind a 250-255 grain bullet out of a two pound pistol sounds like fun to you, then your in for a real treat!!!!
I get a great deal of pleasure watching the people watch me shoot!! After dropping the first hammer on that much flame smoke and roar, everyone around starts wearing a bigger smile. It's almost as much fun as shooting, well, maybe not that much, but still a lot!!
Since you've shown an intrest, I know your couriosity has been piqued, don't be afraid of the "extra effort", there isn't really that much more.
I've been shooting the holy black for the past two years exclusively in my SASS clubs. I shoot frontiersman, so my my revolvers are'58 Remington C&B's, my shotgun is a coach gun with mule ear hammers, and my rifle is a '73. One advantage of shooting the C&B's is I don't have to do any reloading or cleaning of cases when I get home, just for the '73 and the shotgun. Clean-up is a snap and actually takes me less time than some of the pards shooting reduced load smokeless, I don't get lead build-up around the forcing cones, there is just something about dressing up like the early 1870's and late 1860's and shooting what our forefathers shot. Like was said before, they aint as fast as the smokeless, but the grins are twice as big, and in SASS your competing with others shooting the same thing. RR :grin:
I'm new to this forum, although I suspect I know some of you from the SASS or CAS City Boards, and thought this post would be a good place to introduce myself and explain "why" fer Walt.
I came to CAS from another shooting disciplen, Muzzleloading/Buckskinning. So Shooting black powder was already in my blood and I don't find it any more problematic to clean cartridge guns than frontstuffers, when loaded with BP.
As others here have noted, BP clean up really isn't much, if any, more difficult or time consuming than cleaning guns shot with smokeless. You still have to clean & lube smokeless gun too, ya know! I clean mine with water based solvents or mixtures like water and Ballistol, then apply lube same as any smokeless shooter would. No big deal. (a big plus...leading is nonexistant with BP)
Loading BP has been covered in another thread here, suffice it to say that loading BP in pistol calibers is purdy easy and the only thing to remember as far as safety goes is to make sure you deal with that "no air space" thing, and to use a BP lube like SPG or 50/50 mix.
For me, CAS is about doing what our ancestors did (only we git to do it fer fun) and competeing with the same guns and equipment they used is the central aspect of my fun. I have shot in the Duelist catagory from the outset of my involvement and until recently there was no BP Duelist class for cartridge shooters. So I was competeing against smokeless shooters. Sometimes I would win! That was always a great feeling, beating the smokeless shooters at thier own game! 8) Now SASS has instituted Frontier Cartridge Duelist, as a class of it's own, so I suspect we will be seeing more cartridge shooters competeing with BP!
So Walt, you've posted a couple of questions now about BP and CAS. So I suspect you are considering it with some degree of serious interest. My best advise at this point is to jump in and do it! You'll luv it and you'll give up that silly new fangled smokeless stuff fer good! :wink:
I don't really consider it any extra effort. Yes you need to clean your guns afterwards but the cleanup IMO is easy. Been shooting BP exclusively for about 5 years now with one exception. I did shoot the sinfill smokeless at a shoot one week after we moved a couple of years ago. Felt really bad, but I just didn't have time to unpack and set up my reloading stuff and just didn't have enough BP loaded rounds so i used the smokeless crap. :grin: Most of my LRR guns are originals, won't shoot nothing in them but BP. If I don't have time to reload for them won't shoot um.
Plus, let's face it, we all know Black Powder is "Cowboy Action Shooting".
You mean thar's sommit else????[/color] Whal I'll be darned!
Now I'd ask ya, why would anybody ever bother with that modern smokeless stuff??!!
I shoot Holy Black in everythang 'n' it's WAY quicker ta clean up than smokeless.
Not only doez Holy Black bring a big smile to yer face, it's also got "snicker factor". What's "snicker factor"?
Whal, snicker factor is like a few months ago when I shot me first match in Minnesotie, first stage, first shot of the match. The breeze waz light, from down-range, the RO waz standin behind me right shoulder, the buzzer went BEEEEP, I touched off the first round, 'n' heard the RO chokin 'n' sayin "Oh sh!#, I should have known by the color of her brass...."That's snicker factor :-D
I started out in CAS shooting tradetional but switched over to frontier cartridge my 2nd year. I have a lot more fun in this class as well as talking to more people about this type of shooting. Yes it takes a little more work to clean-up and load brass but I think it is worth it.
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