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I have been out Deer hunting with my 243 SPS Varmint rifle with 26'' heavy barrel. I can say this. It is not a walk around rifle. This thing gets heavy fast carrying it around the woods. It don't bother me Groundhog hunting because I set up in a field and wait for the little critters. Here is what I am thinking. Maybe buy a SPS Varmint in a 308 with the heavy 26'' barrel and cut it down to 20'' or 22''. I bet it would not cost me much to have my Gunsmith chop it and put a 11 degree Target Crown on it. This way I could have a good range rifle and a much lighter brush rifle for Deer. I like the idea of a 20'' barrel but don't know if that is to short. What do you guy's think. Dale
 

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Dale they sale the Rem 700 sps in 308 with a 20" barrel already u wouldnt have to cut the barrel down it was made for tactical and police i think this would be a sweeeeet rifle i was looking at them on gone broker but if u have a gun shop near by i am sure they could order u one
 

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Yea but they cost a few hundred dollars more because they come with a Bell and Carlson or an HS stock. I don't remember which though. Dale
 

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Only 550.00 whats that, thats pocket change LOL just kidding i know where your comeing from ;D ;D i dont see y u couldnt have the barrel cut down sound like to me some are doing it on this site and seem to like how they shoot and some clam they are more accurate than they where before
 

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I am pretty sure the tactical's with the 20'' barrels start at about $850.00 there. Dale
 

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$$$$$ & muzzle blast aside, given a proper crown, a shorter barrel of the same weight/diameter will usually be more accurate than at the longer length due to it's increased stiffness.

BTW - I'd rather shoot myself in the foot, then walk-aound/hunt with a rifle weighing more than 6lbs (or so)bareback. ::)
 

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LOL. I bet my 243 all dressed out goes 10 lbs. The rifle alone is 8.5 lbs then the scope and bipod. Dale
 

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Why not just get the standard 700sps? There has been plenty of deer shot with a standard barrel. The standard 700sps has been going for around $465.00 in my area.
 

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Why the heavy barrel for a walk around rifle??? Varmint or otherwise?? I've killed a lots of Pdogs waaaay out there with a sporter weight 22-250. You do have to watch your heat closely but that shouldn't be a factor with ground hogs and certainly not with deer hunting. The difference in accuracy UNDER FIELD CONDITIONS with a bipod would probably be less than most people can hold.
 

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[Because I like heavy barrels and always have. Heres what I want. I just don't want to pay $800.00 for it. Dale]

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??? Dale
 

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Well, the opening bid is $625. a bit less than $800, but according to the seller, the .308's sell out fast. I did find an SPS Varmint in .308 for $619. You might look at the Remington 700 LTR in .308. Yeah, it's going to run over $800, but it's got an HS Precision stock on it, which is probably $300 of the cost. By the time you buy the SPS, have it shipped to your dealer, then ship it to a smith for the work, pay for the work, and have it shipped back, you've eaten up most of the difference between the two. I've read a quote from a former Remington rep that said that the LTR is considered the most accurate factory (non custom shop) gun that Remington's ever produced. It's got a 20" barrel, heavy and fluted. It is a good carrying gun, even scoped. I had one for a while, in .308, even with a heavy Redfield Illuminator 3-9x42 on it, I never complained about it. Balanced great offhand and from rests. My only problem with it was that I got one with a DOG of a barrel, if I didn't clean it to bare metal after 5 shots, the groups would go from oh, 1/2" or so at 100 to about 2" at 100. Barrel fouled very badly. It was an anomaly for sure, I have read about too many of them being awesome shooters to think it was normal. I got rid of it because Remington refused to rebarrel it, even though they said it was a bad barrel. Maybe someone at Remington was in a bad mood the day they got my rifle, who knows? I broke it up and sold it in parts and managed to recoup most of my money, because I bought it in an overstock at below dealer cost. I loved the rifle, and have considered buying one again, but I can't make myself do it yet.

If you shop around, you might be able to pick up a used 700 ADL or something at a good enough price to make it worth sending to ER Shaw and getting it rebarreled and buying a stock for it. I bought a used BDL 30-06 on Gunbroker with a Leupold 2-7 a couple of years ago for $350, believe it or not. The trigger and the bolt stop weren't working right, since it looked like someone had packed a bunch of mud in the mech. I sold the scope, mounts, stock, and bottom metal, almost got what I paid for the gun, then used the funds to get a Bell and Carlson ADL stock, mag box and follower, a new trigger and guard, and had it bedded. It wouldn't shoot every load under MOA, but it loved the Winchester CT Accubond in 180 gr. It shot them so well, that after I finished zeroing, I kept shooting until one pulled out of the group. It took 14 consecutive shots until I pulled one. The group with the flier measured less than an inch.

Too bad I loaned it to a turdknocker cousin of my wife. He was on the family farm, using a bulldozer and had the rifle with him in case he saw coyotoes while he was out. It fell of the dozer, he didn't see it, then proceeded to RUN OVER IT. Ah well. I knew better than to loan it out. At least I took my good scope off of it and put a cheapy Bushnell on it for him. Now I don't let anyone borrow my guns. Ever. At least he had the decency to go buy me an another gun to replace it, even if it was an ADL from Wal-Mart.
 

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I would be crushed if that were to happen to my rifle. Then again I would not lend it to my best friend with out me being there. Dale
 

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DALESCARPENTRY said:
I would be crushed if that were to happen to my rifle. Then again I would not lend it to my best friend with out me being there. Dale
Since was a bulldozer, I guess there was no pun intended, eh? Ha ha. Believe me, I learned my lesson, yes sir.
 

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Dale, Take a look at the new Varmint Tactical. It's available in .308 and .223. Might be what you are looking for. I can't find the info on it now, but it has a green sps stock and a 22in. triangular fluted barrel with muzzle brake cut into it. I have seen one in the flesh at the local gun store. It didn't seem that expensive, but I don't remember the price, but I know it was under the 800$.


There are some .223 on Gunbroker now.

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Thanks I have checked out that rifle. I do like it a lot and might just get one this summer. Dale
 

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700xcr said:
Why not just get the standard 700sps? There has been plenty of deer shot with a standard barrel. The standard 700sps has been going for around $465.00 in my area.
My opinion exactly.

Have a deer rifle for hunting deer and a groundhog rifle for hunting groundhogs.

The 243 is already accurate enough in it's stock configuration - no need for over kill with a target barrel for walking around. No need for cutting it down when a stock one will do the same thing with no additional cost.

Plus you are not going to be able to take enough weight out of the barrel to justify making it lighter by doing so. The barrel is still one of the lightest parts of the gun. Yes it is heavy - but not enough to make a difference in a couple of inches.
 
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