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They all had their day in court.
A jury of their peers found them all "not guilty" based on the evidence as it was presented to them in a court of law.
Why begrudge a man his freedom based on an opinion that may have been formed without the benefit of complete information?
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They all had their day in court.
A jury of their peers found them all "not guilty" based on the evidence as it was presented to them in a court of law.
Why begrudge a man his freedom based on an opinion that may have been formed without the benefit of complete information?
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Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
Because in all three cases High powdered Expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why. If any of these cases would have also been anywhere than the land of fruits and nuts the jury may have reacted differently. Or if they had not been celebs.
Because in all three cases High powdered Expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why. If any of these cases would have also been anywhere than the land of fruits and nuts the jury may have reacted differently. Or if they had not been celebs.
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
The devil won! :twisted:
The devil won! :twisted:
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
Michael Jackson is definitely a sicko and a scumbag; and in my OPINION he is propbably guilty,but the without knowing,
1.What the Jury heard
2.What burden of proof the prosecution had to meet
3.What evidence was presented
None of us can say what conclusion we would have come to in the jury room.
Michael Jackson is definitely a sicko and a scumbag; and in my OPINION he is propbably guilty,but the without knowing,
1.What the Jury heard
2.What burden of proof the prosecution had to meet
3.What evidence was presented
None of us can say what conclusion we would have come to in the jury room.
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
While the allegations against Jackson were of reprehensible deeds, being accused of something does not make a person guilty.
The state was unable to prove their case in open court. If they had had sufficient evidence to prove his guilty it would have been done.
If you were on trial for your life or for your fortune, wouldn't you want the best legal representation that you could "buy"?
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Again, why begrudge a man his means when so much is at stake?jh45gun said:Because in all three cases High powdered Expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why. If any of these cases would have also been anywhere than the land of fruits and nuts the jury may have reacted differently. Or if they had not been celebs.
While the allegations against Jackson were of reprehensible deeds, being accused of something does not make a person guilty.
The state was unable to prove their case in open court. If they had had sufficient evidence to prove his guilty it would have been done.
If you were on trial for your life or for your fortune, wouldn't you want the best legal representation that you could "buy"?
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Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
The sickness is, why do millions of people and a commensurate number of "jouralists" even give a damn!
It's finally over. 'Till the NEXT trial-of-the-century arrives! :roll:
The sickness is, why do millions of people and a commensurate number of "jouralists" even give a damn!
It's finally over. 'Till the NEXT trial-of-the-century arrives! :roll:
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
Thats exactly my point Fwed if I was on trial I could not afford the best **** I would be lucky if I could get mediocre. If your a celeb you can get the best and the state is stuck with what ever clown got elected DA which is showing to be pretty damn lopsided in these high profile cases. OJ,Blake, Jackson walks all celebs. Peterson gets nailed and he is not a celeb. There was some doubt in his case too Yea I felt he was guilty so I am not upset with the verdict in his case but I say if he was a celeb the story may have been different. JimFWiedner said:Again, why begrudge a man his means when so much is at stake?jh45gun said:Because in all three cases High powdered Expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why. If any of these cases would have also been anywhere than the land of fruits and nuts the jury may have reacted differently. Or if they had not been celebs.
While the allegations against Jackson were of reprehensible deeds, being accused of something does not make a person guilty.
The state was unable to prove their case in open court. If they had had sufficient evidence to prove his guilty it would have been done.
If you were on trial for your life or for your fortune, wouldn't you want the best legal representation that you could "buy"?
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I'm sure the guy is probably guilty, but it doesnt sound like the proof was there. What the jury didnt believe was the mother and the two boys. Cant say that I blame them. They sound like they are nothing but liers and cheats, why should anyone believe them?
I think the real crime lays with the mother. I believe she put her kids in that situation for only one reason...MONEY. If anyone should go to jail it is her. The guy is "wierd" and has a history of being "weird" there is no way I would let my kids be anywhere around him. She used her kids as a tool, put them in harms way to try and make a few million dollars, that is the real crime in all of this.
The guy is guilty of being weird, but did ya ever thing that maby he is not guilty of what he was accused of by a bunch of liers and cheats, looking for a fast million?
I'm sure the guy is probably guilty, but it doesnt sound like the proof was there. What the jury didnt believe was the mother and the two boys. Cant say that I blame them. They sound like they are nothing but liers and cheats, why should anyone believe them?
I think the real crime lays with the mother. I believe she put her kids in that situation for only one reason...MONEY. If anyone should go to jail it is her. The guy is "wierd" and has a history of being "weird" there is no way I would let my kids be anywhere around him. She used her kids as a tool, put them in harms way to try and make a few million dollars, that is the real crime in all of this.
The guy is guilty of being weird, but did ya ever thing that maby he is not guilty of what he was accused of by a bunch of liers and cheats, looking for a fast million?
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He admits sleeping with kids and they found porn in his place it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out this guy is a pedophile. Any common non celeb guy that was not some one who could not hire the lawyers or bodygards would be hung from the nearest tree by now by some irate parent. :x
He admits sleeping with kids and they found porn in his place it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out this guy is a pedophile. Any common non celeb guy that was not some one who could not hire the lawyers or bodygards would be hung from the nearest tree by now by some irate parent. :x
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:
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Because in all three cases High powdered expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why
Wrong. High power, expensive prosecutors didn't make a case before trying it. If you were in Jackson's shoes, would you ask for a retrial? Seem's we're always mad at the guy we think got away with something but never the public servants that serve it up to them. [/quote]
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:
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Because in all three cases High powdered expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why
Wrong. High power, expensive prosecutors didn't make a case before trying it. If you were in Jackson's shoes, would you ask for a retrial? Seem's we're always mad at the guy we think got away with something but never the public servants that serve it up to them. [/quote]
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
Your talking a Misnomer here Don as Most prosecutors are average attornies going into politics. Some on the local scene are pretty poor excuses for lawyers. How many folks really know anything about the local folks they put into office? Yea the politics may make them some what powerful but they do not have the expertise i think that these expensive Defense lawyers do. It pretty much looks to me that if the lawyers are about par it could go either way but if you can afford these types of defense lawyers you have a pretty good chance to walk as they can put holes in any of the prosecuting Attorny's case.
[/quote]Don Fischer said:Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:
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Because in all three cases High powdered expeninsive Lawyers got them off thats why
Wrong. High power, expensive prosecutors didn't make a case before trying it. If you were in Jackson's shoes, would you ask for a retrial? Seem's we're always mad at the guy we think got away with something but never the public servants that serve it up to them.
Your talking a Misnomer here Don as Most prosecutors are average attornies going into politics. Some on the local scene are pretty poor excuses for lawyers. How many folks really know anything about the local folks they put into office? Yea the politics may make them some what powerful but they do not have the expertise i think that these expensive Defense lawyers do. It pretty much looks to me that if the lawyers are about par it could go either way but if you can afford these types of defense lawyers you have a pretty good chance to walk as they can put holes in any of the prosecuting Attorny's case.
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How does this differ from any other thing dealing with the law? There are the haves and the have nots. Nothing new with this. Take for an example some guy is stealing your car and you shoot him, thinking he was reaching for a gun and there is no gun. Guess what happens to you? You get your six hung out to dry. Now a cop does the same thing. Only difference is it is ok for the cop to do it. Tell me there isnt a double standard.
Anybody who can afford a good lawyer and doesnt do it is a fool. Why do you think you pay more than your fair share of taxes, and some rich fat cat gets away with avoiding taxes on millions of dollars? They can afford good tax lawyers.
This jury didnt seem to be a bunch of idiots from what I saw. I dont think they could believe the boys and their mom. They sat through 5 months of this case day in and day out, I think they probably know a little more than what we know. Are you realling willing to send a guy up for 25+ years, because you think he might be guilty?
How does this differ from any other thing dealing with the law? There are the haves and the have nots. Nothing new with this. Take for an example some guy is stealing your car and you shoot him, thinking he was reaching for a gun and there is no gun. Guess what happens to you? You get your six hung out to dry. Now a cop does the same thing. Only difference is it is ok for the cop to do it. Tell me there isnt a double standard.
Anybody who can afford a good lawyer and doesnt do it is a fool. Why do you think you pay more than your fair share of taxes, and some rich fat cat gets away with avoiding taxes on millions of dollars? They can afford good tax lawyers.
This jury didnt seem to be a bunch of idiots from what I saw. I dont think they could believe the boys and their mom. They sat through 5 months of this case day in and day out, I think they probably know a little more than what we know. Are you realling willing to send a guy up for 25+ years, because you think he might be guilty?
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
Emotionally I want to side with Jim. Sure seems like he did it, like OJ & Barretta. Thing is they went to court & won. Maybe if they were less affluent it would be different but thats just not the way it was. :?
I thought OJ was guilty & its sure easy to believe Jacko's a whacko but not knowing all the facts I cant say I know either was really guilty.
I think tho that states should think about retaining better lawyers in cases like this. I dont know the legal ramifications but I think it would level the playing field a bit.
Now if it were MY kid & I thought Mr Jackson had improper relations with him I might just be happy that they aquitted him & set him loose in the world. The world can be a mighty dangerous place :twisted: specially for child molesters.
Emotionally I want to side with Jim. Sure seems like he did it, like OJ & Barretta. Thing is they went to court & won. Maybe if they were less affluent it would be different but thats just not the way it was. :?
I thought OJ was guilty & its sure easy to believe Jacko's a whacko but not knowing all the facts I cant say I know either was really guilty.
I think tho that states should think about retaining better lawyers in cases like this. I dont know the legal ramifications but I think it would level the playing field a bit.
Now if it were MY kid & I thought Mr Jackson had improper relations with him I might just be happy that they aquitted him & set him loose in the world. The world can be a mighty dangerous place :twisted: specially for child molesters.
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jh45gun, your probally right. But the fact remains it's the states responsibility to prove guilt,, PROVE guilt! The state didn't do it in the O.J. trial, they knew they couldn't so tried him in the court of public opinion. They won there but lost in the court that count's. Not to worry, we'll just try him again for the same crime by changing the charge we call it. You put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig, that was double jeporidy! I didn't hear anyone screaming about O.J.'s right's, how come? Oh yea, we're gonna get the rick collard guy that hit his wife, any port in a storm. Maybe O.J. did it and maybe he didn't. The question that needs answered is this. Is it alright with anyone that everything that happened to O.J. after the discovery of the bodies, happens to you in a like situtation? I doubt that but then we know O.J. did it, right? Knew it right from the start!
And how about Scott Peterson? The prosecution admitted their case was totally, TOTALLY, circumstantial. Not a problem, whatever the state van sell to a jury is ok, proof be damned.
We should quit blaming the guys we think got away with something and start telling out cops and prosecutors that they can no longer railroad anyone, suddenly they have to prove their accusations. The next guy that gets railroaded down there just may be you. Who you gonna scream to?
Sometimes protecting YOUR rights means letting a bad guy go. The state of Cal. likes to try the accused in the news first for some reason. They did it to O.J., Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson. I don't know if any of them are guilty but look at what happened to each and whos the only guy convicted? A guy like most of us, not rich. And convicted totally on circumstantial evidence. That what you want???
jh45gun, your probally right. But the fact remains it's the states responsibility to prove guilt,, PROVE guilt! The state didn't do it in the O.J. trial, they knew they couldn't so tried him in the court of public opinion. They won there but lost in the court that count's. Not to worry, we'll just try him again for the same crime by changing the charge we call it. You put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig, that was double jeporidy! I didn't hear anyone screaming about O.J.'s right's, how come? Oh yea, we're gonna get the rick collard guy that hit his wife, any port in a storm. Maybe O.J. did it and maybe he didn't. The question that needs answered is this. Is it alright with anyone that everything that happened to O.J. after the discovery of the bodies, happens to you in a like situtation? I doubt that but then we know O.J. did it, right? Knew it right from the start!
And how about Scott Peterson? The prosecution admitted their case was totally, TOTALLY, circumstantial. Not a problem, whatever the state van sell to a jury is ok, proof be damned.
We should quit blaming the guys we think got away with something and start telling out cops and prosecutors that they can no longer railroad anyone, suddenly they have to prove their accusations. The next guy that gets railroaded down there just may be you. Who you gonna scream to?
Sometimes protecting YOUR rights means letting a bad guy go. The state of Cal. likes to try the accused in the news first for some reason. They did it to O.J., Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson. I don't know if any of them are guilty but look at what happened to each and whos the only guy convicted? A guy like most of us, not rich. And convicted totally on circumstantial evidence. That what you want???
Jackson Aquited I guess it pays to be a ce
No and thats my whole point Peterson got nailed for a crime that was no different than the other 3 high profile cases he got nailed a common guy the celebs did not what I have been trying to say all along. Jim
No and thats my whole point Peterson got nailed for a crime that was no different than the other 3 high profile cases he got nailed a common guy the celebs did not what I have been trying to say all along. Jim
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Jim I agree with you, but it is just not the celebs. It is anyone with money. From small towns up to the big time. Got enough money and a crooked enough lawyer you can get away with murder!! or molestation. But the state still has to prove a case, that a jury will buy.
Jim I agree with you, but it is just not the celebs. It is anyone with money. From small towns up to the big time. Got enough money and a crooked enough lawyer you can get away with murder!! or molestation. But the state still has to prove a case, that a jury will buy.
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big medicne says:
The state took a bad case after Jackson and a known loser after O.J., they got shot down. The ones to be angry with are the cops and prosecutors that didn't do their jobs right. How in the **** can the prosecution call witnesses that testify for the accused? How does that happen??? And yet they got away with a totally circumstantial case with Scott Peterson. That should never happen. In O.J.'s trial, 80% of the public had him convicted before jury selection. Why? The state tried him in the news from the get go. You want that stuff to happen to you? Be angry with the state for not doing their job!!!!!!!!
Once you get over being hurt, figure it out. The system failed on the part of the people. O.J. and Jackson merely defended themselves.
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And thats part of the point! I don't like Jackson anymore than you guys but at the same time, I don't want to be hung on a made up case either. If ya don't want that to happen to you, you can't except it when it happens to some scumbag like Jackson.But the state still has to prove a case, that a jury will buy.
The state took a bad case after Jackson and a known loser after O.J., they got shot down. The ones to be angry with are the cops and prosecutors that didn't do their jobs right. How in the **** can the prosecution call witnesses that testify for the accused? How does that happen??? And yet they got away with a totally circumstantial case with Scott Peterson. That should never happen. In O.J.'s trial, 80% of the public had him convicted before jury selection. Why? The state tried him in the news from the get go. You want that stuff to happen to you? Be angry with the state for not doing their job!!!!!!!!
Once you get over being hurt, figure it out. The system failed on the part of the people. O.J. and Jackson merely defended themselves.
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Without the Patriot Act the Lodi "Four" would not have been jailed
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/20050615/pl_nm/usa_security_congress_dc
Without the Patriot Act the Lodi "Four" would not have been jailed
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/20050615/pl_nm/usa_security_congress_dc
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While it's true that if you're a celeb or rich the odds of getting away with something are better, but who do you blame, the lawyer, the prosecutor, the celeb or the jury. I find it hard to blame the lawyer who is doing what he's trained to do to the best of his ability. That's his job. Those that are better at the job get paid more for their services. Do I like it when they get a guility person off...No I don't. But, I tend to put the blame on the prosecutor for not doing their job or the jury for not (in many cases) understanding the evidence.
I would like to point out that Scott Peterson, not a celeb, still had a high dollar lawyer and was found guilty despite having one.
Was OJ guilty, yep but the jury didn't think so.
Was Scott Peterson guility, probably and the jury thought so.
M Jackson, the odds are that he is, but they couldn't convince the jury.
While it's true that if you're a celeb or rich the odds of getting away with something are better, but who do you blame, the lawyer, the prosecutor, the celeb or the jury. I find it hard to blame the lawyer who is doing what he's trained to do to the best of his ability. That's his job. Those that are better at the job get paid more for their services. Do I like it when they get a guility person off...No I don't. But, I tend to put the blame on the prosecutor for not doing their job or the jury for not (in many cases) understanding the evidence.
I would like to point out that Scott Peterson, not a celeb, still had a high dollar lawyer and was found guilty despite having one.
Was OJ guilty, yep but the jury didn't think so.
Was Scott Peterson guility, probably and the jury thought so.
M Jackson, the odds are that he is, but they couldn't convince the jury.
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