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Joel, I respect your opinion, I just ordered myself a nice carry knife from Dervish knives, it's called the Ishtar.
http://www.dervishknives.com/images/ishtariron3.jpg

It's an 8 1/2 blade Persian styl;e knfe, with a figured ironwood handle and mosaic pins, I'm going to order a kydex inside the waistband sheath. 5160 carbon steel. The knife style fits my training style. I'm looking forward to getting it.
Comments from everyone welcome...
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Well, it's one **** of a fightin knife. By trainin, I'm assumin you've trained to make slashing cuts; that's the Arabic style of fightin, and that's what the blade excels at. It's a beautiful knife for what it's intented to do. Went over to the site to see how they made them, and Mineral Mountain has always had an excellent reputation for their blades. They've done about everything to that 5160 that can probably done to it to "optimize" it(forged/edge quenching/ diffential heat treat etc.) and I like the way they etched it. It's a tough steel to begin with(car/truck springs). From what I've read, it doesn't hold an edge as well as,say 52100 or a couple of the other forger's steels, but it's **** for tough, and,at 58, will hold one long enough for what it's designed for(which ain't field dressing an 85 lb doe or slicing tomatoes). Put it to you this way, I've been to your website and seen what you make in the way of using knives(beautiful handles by the way), so I know durned well you bought this for other, spcialized reasons. If you were some amatuer knife user who'd bought that, an wanted my opinion on it as an everday carry/hunting blade, well, I wouldn't have much good to say about it. For it's intended purpose, the "Persian" blades make beautiful,deadly partners. I refuse to make fighting knives, doesn't mean I don't admire their design.
 

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Yes I guess I should have clarified that. It's intended to be a "sidearm knife". Serious social purposes will be its duty assignment, and only if the Glock 23 is MIA.
My study is Phillipino overhand, crossada, and reverse grip. I am sure I will justify its wear on larger tomatoes, and prehistoric sized sub sandwiches. :) I know I will take it along hog hunting.
Thanks for the compliment on my knives. :D
 

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I could see butcherin out a hog or a cow or a deer for that matter with that. It's no bigger than the hog butcherin knives you see around here. Just hate ta have to gut somethin with it. Actually I did build a knife with somewhat of a persian curve to it for a lady who's one of the best archery hunters/target(man or woman) shots in this part of state. Only difference was the blade was a lot shorter(3 1/4") an the curve to it wasn't quite as extreme. Built it out of 3/32" X 1" flatground stock to fit her hand, an she loves it.
 

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Oh, i'm sure she does. Do you have a website for your knifemaking, you seem pretty knowledgeable about knive and steel metalurgy. JeffG :D
 

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Knives have held a lifelong interest for me, and over the years I've done a lot of reading/studying on the subject. Didn't start actually making knives from scratch until 5 years ago, plus the year I spent teaching myself how to do it. Probably made/sold around 250 since then, not counting the ones I've made for family and friends(and myself). Don't have a website for a couple of reasons, one being this computer isn't mine, it belongs to Penn State even though I use it at home. Since I'm only part time with them, I never know when they might no longer need me. In fact that may happen soon, since they're starting to move all the experiments in wine grapes and apples(which is what I do as a field tech) out of these mountains and down to the friendlier(to plants) flatlands down to the southeast. Figured there's no sense starting a website if I don't know how long I'll have a computer. Word is though, they might just give me this one(its a Mac Power PC) since the whole university has switched to IBM's. If they do that I might just start one. My original plan was to just be a local maker, making maybe 25-30 knives a year, but the knives have gradually spread around the country and I'm seeing a slow, steady increase in orders. To be truthful, I'm not actually sure I'm pleased with that, since much as I love makin knives, there's other things I also do(I also grow my own organic produce for market), and I'm not sure that I'd like to give those things up. Quien Sabe? In the meantime though, I'm still working inside my comfortable limits, and having fun doing it. By the way, I should have mentioned I really like those Puuko/Saami style sheaths to. Where'd you learn to make them?
 

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By the way, I should have mentioned I really like those Puuko/Saami style sheaths to. Where'd you learn to make them?
My first intent was to make only saami/puukko knives. They don't sell too fast. But put a saami sheath on a Bowie or a tanto...wow!

There are two types, chisel outs and "build ups". They are just like they sound. "Chisel outs" are two flat pieces that you trace the outline of your blade, and chisel out, fit the blade, the glue and shape the wood, adding the leather neck later. The collar is fitted into the top of the sheath with grobes on the sheath, a cord tie with the leather inside out then you pull it right side out to stich it up the back.
Build ups work great for larger knives, use a flat piece of hardwood, 1/4 inch thick, trace the blade. Use small fitted pieces of wood and glue them into the shape of the blade with epoxy to make a wall around the blade. When the glue sets, head out to the belt sander with your matching piece of wood and your knife. Thin the glued side until you have a friction fit on the blade, glue in the other side and grind to shape. Add the leather collar and belt hanger and viola' !! Saami sheath. This book really tells it all, by BO Bergman...I recommend it above all, the guy is an absolute MASTER. http://www.ragweedforge.com/BladeCatalog.html
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Yeah, I've been to that guy's site several times. He's located not too far from where I was born an raised.
I've a block of exhibition grade Masur(russian) birch that's been sitting on my table for four years now, while I try an get a saami/puukko design to "click" in my head. been to about every Scandinavian knife site I could find lookin for something that'll hit the go button. Think I'm suffering from builder's block when it comes to that style knife. Suckers aren't as simple as they seem once you get into the mechanics of it. However, I must be getting closer, cause something almost clicked the other day. If I do finally get to building one, I'll probably have to get that book. Got a pretty good idea, now, after readin your description, but $18.50 is cheaper than major depression and various expletives that are often the product of doing it the hard way. Done that enough already.Thanks for the pointers.
 

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Ishtar

That is a real neat looking knife . Almost a saber with that 8.5 inch blade but its a dandy . I enjoyed as usual you folks discussions of knife making , that always informative.
 

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Well, I got the Ishtar, with an inside the waistband sheath, John Gonzalez did a great job on both. It carries suprisingly well for a large knife! :D
 
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