first of all thanks to all you guys for having such a great forum! this place is truly incredible. about the time I get ready to ask a ??? I do a search and find numerous posts already. Heck, even the disagreements about ballistics voodoo are civil and good natured, that cohesion is key to insuring our shooting future. It just goes to show how a very common rifle can bring very common people together in a most uncommon way, the sum is truly greater than the parts.