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:D I hqave little problem giving my opinion on anything my friend...I just retired from 32 yrs as a DEPUTY SHERIFF,IN mi.,ya might say i worked just west of GRAND RAPIDS....I have and always will support the right for a civilian to carry a handgun..in other words..im was never a butt kisser or one to deal in the what -ifs...i have stopped many vehicles with the drivers/occupants carring thier weapons in a legal manner,and never even thought of thier being any danger to myself..as a matter of fact..i got a lot of free coffee offers to sit down and talk to em.....You have to realise that i was a line oficer,not a command...I can remember having a very heated argument with the patrol lt. about CCW..HE STATED THAT WITHOUT A DOUBT,there would be many deaths related to this very uncalled for activity,and his other worry was that some stupid rookie would shoot someone with a aCCW BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID...INTERESTINGLY....NONE....OF THIS HAS OCCURED WITH THE MANY THOUSANDS OF CARRY PERMITS ISSUED IN THIS STATE...as of this time,no improper shootings,and i think only 3 or 4 have lost the license to carry..mostly due to alcohol....in talking to all of the deps,and city officers very few express any worries what so ever..its the politicals that do...they think its the end of the world..but then again..they think they can predict the future,so far none have been even remotley correct...sorry to get so long winded,but i think that anyone who is not a danger to society should carry a handgun( i.e.,,a felon )...the more good guys that have guns ,makes for less victims on the streets.....provided that they have been trained and now how to shoot straight....as a point of interest...i know of few departments that train thier officers in how to react to someone legally carring a weapon...if you ask 100 cops how they will react..u will get 100 differant answers...goood luck...and im glad to have u on our side....KING :)
 

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pete welcome. as a current leo in michigan, and nra trainer in michigan, i can tell you most street level guys i have talked to have no problems with it! most command brassholes! have issues with it! go worth and carry! have no fear of the boys in blue or brown! we are here to clean upafter you save your life and your loved ones! just remember give no reasons be polite and nice all wil go well! stay safe! by the way checkout www.mgouc.com good pro gun sight in michigan! as well as mcrgo.com!
 

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:-D As per normal,i fergot to add somethng that i think is very important to your case....All law enforcement types look at the CCW PEOPLE IN KINDA THE SAME LIGHT......YOU..because u have the license are looked at as a CUT ABOVE the average individual..it is important that u always conduct yourself in that manner,in speaking about this i mean that u are looked at as being more responsible a person that one who does not have a license..hope that helps ya a little...king :grin:
 

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CW Permits

In Florida, where I am a City officer for past 24 years, the weapon must be concealed. Most of the officers here have no problem with the permit holders, but expect them to obey the restrictions as to where they can carry and stay out of bars as is required. A few of my co-workers (mostly transplants from up north) freak out and get all excited about someone with a gun, but most do not. I agree with the above opinions, that you have little to fear from rank and file officers. We know that licensed gun carriers are not the problem. And we have a lot of them in Florida.
 

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As a current LEO in Wisconsin, I support Civilian CCW, although the State does not allow it. It seems that on that issue however, the Command of most police agencies is against the idea. Somehow when they graduated from Patrol to Command, they suddenly think its a bad idea...Hmmmm. Your are a cut above. Go proudly, albiet discreetly. And enjoy your privelege that SHOULD be a right. Just my $.02...
 

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:D Hi guys just wanted to say i thank you ,for your present support to firearm permit holders , i for one have carried one for a while at first it made me a little nervius knowing that some day i might have to use it to defend self and loved ones, then i went into corrections and learned just what kind of scum really float around out thier,as of jan 6th 2003 i've decided to put my self through mandate school in my home state of georgia, to become one of you all, any and alle-mail would be great and welcome. be safe out therel.
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I'm a cop in Upstate NY , a city on Lake Ontario with NO lack of violent crime, and I can tell you the same as most everyone else in this forum. Street cops seldom have a problem with citizens carrying lawfully. In ten years, I have never had a problem with a person carrying a registered pistol. My only concern is that the armed citizen must know what to do AFTER the critical incident occurs. Once the shots have been fired, the Boys in Blue will be there in a few seconds. They are going to address the person holding the gun first! The lawfully armed citizen must know to immediately put the gun on the ground and their hands in the air. Don't be too surprised if you are put on the ground and cuffed. Cops always make the scene safe for themselves before sorting out the puzzle. Its just the way it has to be. So don't hesitate to protect yourself, (after educating and training yourself ) but be prepared for the Cops to do their job too.
 

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S.Sumner, The Texas carry permit clearly states on the front "CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE." I have never worked as a police officer, however I have two degrees in law enforcement. After retiring from the Air Force I planned to go into law enforcement, but was turned down several times because I was too old. I have several relatives who are in law enforcement, one currently sheriff and former U.S. Marshal. Not including my kin, most officers I have talked to have no problem with the concealed permit. I know of one who was exceptionally pleased to see an armed "civilian" come to his aid when a drug crazy thug had him pinned down with a shotgun. There are thousands of miles of lonely roads here in Texas. The troopers and most sheriff departments patrol alone, I think it must giver them a sense of security to know there may be someone close by that is armed and will lend a hand if needed. Least, that's my opinion from the conversations I have had.
 

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I'm a sergeant deputy. I believe every law abiding citizen should carry and there should be a national ccw permit. If I had it my way. I would like to see a millitary style pdw tutorial employed to get a ccw permit, so we would have a better informed public as well as a safer carrying public. The coarse would provide all pistols from confiscations and the coarse would be reasonable at $25 or so. There would also be cheap ammo on hand for the public to buy and use during the class. All aspects of pdw would be covered. The person would get a generalized coarse for all types of handguns and would have to qualify with each model they intend to carry.There would be instructors on hand 24/7 at every millitary base. They already have the ranges and instructors. The licsence fee would cover the extra man power needed to direct civilians on millitary bases and the need for additional armorers. After getting your liscence anually there would be a brief refresher coarse and a quallification. Just a thought.
 

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I am a leo in upstate NY, and I believe that every law abiding, honest, responsible citizen, who has the proper mind set, should have a pistol permit. I'll never forget a quote from a lt. I had once, "An armed society, is a polite society."
Besides, the police can not be everywhere at once, the citizens need to help themselves, and being able to defend lives is part of that.
 

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I was a street Corporal in the DC area - where almost no one can legally carry (unless you're a big contributor to a prominent demoncrap's reelection campaign) and I feel the same as every other road troop on this board. All of us have interviewed countless people who might have turned the tables on their attackers if they'd been armed.

It was my RKBA activities at the capitol and my teaching of firearms safety classes that torpedoed my career, incidentally. Bad juju with the brass, doncha know.

Good advice above concerning greeting the responding troops. It'd be a real pisser to prevail over the thugs only to have the good guys mistake you for a bad guy. Be discreet, be professional.

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I am a future police officer (in college right now) and most of the cops I have talked to don't have a problem with law abiding individuals being armed. Obviously there are some people that should not have guns, but these are a small minority and are already subject to current law. Approximatly 80% of gun crime is commited with guns that were illeagily obtained, further gun laws would not impact the crime rate and instead only increase the rate of gun crime commited with illeagle arms. I realise that when I hit the streets I will be in harm's way but I will be much more worried about those who carry guns to illeagily then those who obey the already over-agressive gun laws. The bottom line (shown by crime figures in countries with strict gun control) is that overall, responsible, law abiding peoples posessing arms is in fact good for law enforcement, not bad! It is too bad that the politicians at the top of some departments don't realise this.
 

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Re: concealed carry ?

Also, the states whose actual license I have
seen, do not say CONCEALED CARRY any where on them.
they are simply FIREARM LICENSE
It is better to be JUDGED by 12 than CARRIED by 6.[/quote]


You need to travel a bit . My Montana permit says at the top, Concealed Weapons Permit.
 

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Waksupi : Well I am proud to say that Arkansas finelly came from the bottom of the list on something our ccw license states (concelled handgun license) . :D JIM
 

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I live in Wyoming and my permit says across the top, "WYOMING CONCEALED FIREARM PERMIT". I got mine about ten years ago. I travel across a lot of state lines and really have to be thinking about which state I happen to be in and in some cases (Colorado) which city. I have been stopped a few times and always tell the officer that I have a concealed, loaded weapon, and have been treated very well in every case. Just make sure you know the regulations if you cross state lines. I used to live in Traverse City and am really glad to hear Michigan has finally given it's citizens the right to carry. When I lived there, you really had to jump thru hoops to buy one and then you better not be crrying it anywhwere except to the woods to hunt or to the rangs. As the other guys said, act like a responsible citizen and you should get treated like one.
 

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My PA permit says on it "License to carry firearms" under reason to carry it says "self-defense". It dosent say anything about carrying concealed though.
 

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I'm from Washington, and my permit says "License to Carry Concealed Pistol, State of Washington" across the top.
 

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Concealed Carry Permit should be standardized ! The Permit should be one standard color ... should read CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. Background checks, interview and training should be BALLS OUT - end result being many capable citizens with ability to defend, criminals lose.

The responsability must be clear and understood - safety 1st, 2nd & 3rd / many come appart unter pressure ( Nature of man ), calm must be known as a must under pressure - consideration for what's behind or beyond your point of aim ( Innocence ). I've seen some rugged men come apart when put under pressure - the brain goes.

Basic procedure for after encounter and poliece are arriving - the standard color card reading CCP, hands up with card in hand clearly showing ( More could be added to this process for situations, but display of card is important to lessen tention just a bit ).

STANDARDIZE is most important.

My feeling is that CC is for those with common sense - you shouldn't need it in Church or at the family reunion in a location with history of no crime.

Something told me once that I needed to take mine with me - the location was miles of driving in back country mountians, slow twisting roads without much other travel ... kind of alone. The wife and I had an encounter way back in there - 3 men approached out of no where, I sat the 45 APC Auto up on the dash in plain view .......... they turned and off they went .............. this had the feeling of a serious threat developing, and I'm actually sure of it ( We were at a little rest - a cut at side of narrow road ). That was the only encounter I ever had where more than my normal defence skills would have been needed - but it was real.

Crime has been unbeleavable even in my small town area these last years and it seems that the system is slow and weak in dealing with it - officers arrest and then the system often fails ..... overload I guess.

I believe that anyone having to use a firearm in self defence or aid to another would in most cases still get beat up by the system afterwords - procedures and rules stuff, and $$$$$$ into the system - all know how that works. Cost doesn't matter if life is in clear danger.

I'm an American that thinks Criminals get away with murder - even after arrest ..... the system pays for everything ..... the story is long.
 

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Rip,
A nationwide CCW would be an improvement, you bet! One point of contention; In my opinion, you should be able to carry anywhere. There are no safe places! There have been shootings in ALL of the places that you are not allowed to carry in! Churches, federal bldgs, courtrooms, schools, and even in the good old family reunions. The ony restriction I can think of that makes sense to me is that the CCW not consume alcohol or drugs. But that's just common sense isn't it!
Stay Safe,
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I'm a Sergeant Deputy, I have one complaint here in AL, 86% of the population are registered gun owners. Roughly 74% have CCW permits, that's about 15% to few. It is a proven fact regions with CCW by the(Normal) public have a lower crime rate compared to the national average. I only would like to see more training envolved and a national CCW program, instead of limited area coverage. I have never had a problem with a legal CCW holder.
 
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