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holy crap!

that is pretty wild!! unreal! i think they would have been better off with a 12 gauge benelli! god knows that is what i would want in that situation. with an extended tube!
 

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That just left chills up my spine! :eek:

Dang, how many shots did that lion take before it went down?
And what guns were they shooting?
And why the heck did it charge like that?

MAN!

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I read

on another web site that the lion had been gut shot and they ahd to go into the bush to find it. The guy getting attacked was the PH, from what I read. Maybe JJ can lend some light to this if he will.
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I've watched this video several times and can't tell whether or not the rifleman on the right ever fired at the lion, even though he was aiming the his rifle and even though the lion appeared to be charging him. The barrel jerks, but it's not like it's really been fired. Kind of weird that he would just stand there catatonic while the lion chows down on his companion.
 

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i dont think that anyone even had time to say $h!T!! before he was on them. but one would think that they would have been ready if they were indeed tracking a wounded lion. i look at the video and think about how many shots i could have gotten off with a benelli. from the time the lion is visable to the time he is on the guy i am sure i could empty that riot gun into the cat. i guess i dont understand why one would carry a two shot rifle when expecting trouble. i bet every one of those guys would have sold their soul for more firepower. i am no lion expert, but i would venture to guess that a 12 gauge would work just fine. :eek:
 

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I don't know about having time to say $hit, but the guy on the right certainly had time to fire at least one shot while the Lion was coming toward him out of the brush. Watching this makes me think of all the times I've seen guys screw up shots at deer because their variable powered telescopic sights were set on 9X and they couldn't find the deer in the very narrow field of view.

Can you imagine the terror of having a lion bounding toward you and not being able to find him in the scope? I don't know if that's what happened here, but it certainly makes you think, doesn't it? It also makes you understand why PH's equip their back up rifles with rugged, fixed, non-adjustable iron sights that can't get knocked out of whack.
 

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Don't know.

for some reason JJ hasn't responded to this thread. I was hopeful that he would shed some light on this. Anyone else out there hunt Africa that can shed some light on this video?
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markc,

The clip is from a movie by Wes Hixon called "JAWS OF SIMBA[/color]", a great film available from OUTDOOR VISIONS. Of all the shots fired at the lion only one shot missed the lion, and that was one fired by the backup PH while the lion was on top of PH Peter Chipman! The lion was hit in the stomach initially by Wes Hixon, the client, which is what started the need to go after a wounded lion in the weeds. The first shot was with a Rem 700 .416 Rem. Mag., although they didn't state what the bullet was. The lion was found later mad, and hurt, in heavy bush.

The lion charged from only 12 yards away and was hit in the chest by Peter Chipman, the PH, with a 500 grain bullet from his .458 Win. Mag., but had no effect, the second shot by Wes Hixon hit the lion in the chest, with the same results. The third shot hit the lion in the face with a 416 Rem. Mag., breaking the upper jaw but not stopping the lion. The lion was on Peter Chipman before anyone could chamber another round. The next shot was a miss because the back up PH was afraid of hitting Chipman as the lion was on top of him. At this point Wes Hixon rushed in and stuck the barrel of his rifle just above the right eye of the lion thus bringing to an end the attack.

To me this proves the need to make that first shot count. Lawdog
 

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Re: Don't know.

markc said:
for some reason JJ hasn't responded to this thread. I was hopeful that he would shed some light on this. Anyone else out there hunt Africa that can shed some light on this video?
markc :cry:
You don't suppose it was Jack that was in the Video do you??[/color] :eek: :-D :cry: :eek: :-D :cry:

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i have often thought (after shooting feral cats) what a big cat would do. i have seen these little cousins just do insane things after taking a hit and always figured a lion would be insane after getting shot. after reading about all the hits that lion took it appears my speculation might be right on.
 

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hahahaha

no Zachary I don't think it was JJ in there. Amazing that the lion took so many hits, a number of which would be considered lethal, and kept coming. Lawdog is right, make the first shot count. I wonder how long they waited before going after the wounded lion. Think I'll stick with less than lethal whitetail deer and feral hogs for now. :grin:
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Don't underestimate those hogs! I have had a couple charge at me with the same vengence as the lion in that video! :eek: In fact, I had a .480 in Taurus RB, took 4 shots at it, and the thing kept on coming at me! That's why this year I bought a Winchester M70 Classic Stainless in .375 H&H......that should do the trick on charges. :wink:

That's why I like hunting in Texas - nice tower blinds high enough to stay out of harm's way. :)

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I have not seen the video and I cannot get it to play on my computer so I have not made a comment on something I know nothing about.

Is the the kind of Rifle you were refering to for a Professional Hunter? This is my backup rifle in 458 Lott

9 lbs, 22" barrel, Machined solid steel non adjustable peep sight, heavy steel hood over the front sight. Model 70 CRF action. I'm shooting 450 grain BArnes X bullets at 2350 FPS. The Barrel is a PacNor bench rest match grade . The stock is custom fitted to me with a very low comb. It's modeled after a double rifle, or double barrel shotgun. The stock is made of laminated walnut. I have since added wrap around checkering and a sling made from the leather of one of the cape buffalo's I have shot.

It's a beautiful piece of work with managable recoil through stock design and fit. Not by using an earshattering muzzle blast enhancer!

 

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JJ,

Beautiful rifle. Shows care and though in it's design. May I ask who did the stock work and from who the stock blank was purchased? I have a thing about wood and will not own a rifle that doesn't have a wood stock. Like I said, beautiful rifle but something that takes a life should be beautiful and not something sterile or plastic. Lawdog
 

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I finished the stock but it was shaped and designed in co-operation with the gun smith John Ricks out of Port Angelas Washington. We originally had a Fajen walnut stock which we chopped and sanded until it was justt perfect. That stock was sent to a man in Montana who has a "Stock Duplicator" . He cut a new stock from a great piece of wood and then ran it through the band saw to cut it into thin slices. The two outside pieces are 1/2" thick the six inside pieces are about 1/8" tick or so. Then the whole works was pressure heat treaded and pressed together with so much resin it was nearly impossible to sand smooth. The sand paper was filled with resin after very little use. I finnaly had to wet sand the stock to finish it.

I sent it to a lady in Portland to do the checkering. She was the lady doing all Kimbers custom rifles before they moved out of the country. There is not a single thing I would change on this gun. I'll add a couple more photo's.

The rear peep was designed with a stack of shims until I found the load and setting that mathced my needs. We then Miked the thikness of the shims, made a slight right left connection and machined one out of solid steel. Now it could be dragged behind the truck and it will not get out of alignment!

I am a fanatic for duribility and dependability in my equipment. It's why I like the Model 70 so much. Quick and easy field stipping of the whole action. Along with a trigger that is so simple and has so few parts it cannot bind up.
 

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Lawdog hit the information right on the spot. I have the video and have watched it several times. speaking as one that hunted in Zimbabwe in 1999 with a Searcy 500 NE & shot a large Cape Buff when attacking, at 7 meters ( 23 feet ). When a large animal gets charged with adrenalin he quite likely will be hard to stop. I believe that the reason professionals & other hunters use heavy caliber double rifles is, for close in work nothing works so reliably as a heavy slug, delivered to the proper spot. A Large Double Rifle is like having two rifles on the same Stock, each barrel has it's own trigger, which means that you can load a solid in one and a soft point in the other and decide at the last second which bullet to hit the animal with. I guarantee that at 7 meters you don't need sights and the rifle doesn't recoil.
 

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Lion Charge

I was reading Lawdogs review of Jaws video, but somehow the text doesn't match the video. 416's & 458's kick alot more than what was shown in this clip. Which one is the client, I thought it was the guy knocked over? Please clear this up for me as I have many people waiting for a response. Everyone is a second guesser. Thanks
 

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Minkman,

The guy that got knocked down was the Professional Hunter Peter Chipman. The client is the guy that fired the last shot ending the whole affair.

There are a couple of Lion charge videos that have been listed and I am just wondering if you are talking about the one where the guy gets knocked down and the Lion continues on beyond the guy, the Lion then falling to the ground to roll around and then gets up to run off only to get shot again. If that is the case then we are talking about different videos. Small groups and tight lines to you. Lawdog
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Lion Charge

Lawdog, The clip where the lion knocks the guys binos over his head and then rolls past, gets up and charges back through the group. Amazingly, the video guy never flinches even though the there are shots coming around him. Also you can see the fenceline behind the lion.

Can you shed any light on this clip? Also, where are those other clips that you are talking about, or what videos are they on?

Thanks for your help

Tight lines & Small groups to you!
 
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