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Ok guys , i have a 41GNR , simple to make , just run the 44 mag brass in the GNR dies and load no big deal , also have a 224 GNR in the works now , takes a little more work , i have to annel the 357 Max brass , then neck it down then load . Still not that big of a problem .

What i'm looking for is the round that would be more complex to make , maybe a cut down case with 2 or 3 steps to neck down . something in the varmint to small game class . Would like to keep it in a .224 , .243 or .30 cal as it would be a re-chamber of a H&R single shot rifle for now .

Throw some ideas at me , please , i have been looking at Ammo Guide's case drawings for some too .

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Ackley, Ackley, Ackley... Re: Looking for a new Wild Cat

Mr. Ackley's books are available from eabco.com, Sinclair International, and on ebay sometimes. (Forget the nurses stuff...!) He must have covered 10,000 cartridges and that was before PPC. You want to swage a belt on the case. He did with '06 cases. Made a shortened for .228 big game. Barnes had a 125 grain .228 bullet. 1 in 6.5 twist. With the advent of the smaller bores, you could take that old tech and put the tiny bullet in. Who is it doing the .20/.225 WCF? Or was it .225 Imp? Or if you just wish to be "Weatherby" you can work off the European cases that virtually copy US cases but not quite... That will give you "name" but probably little else by way of improvement and those cases are not free. Neck down the 7x64 Sharp & Hart. You will be so close to a 7 Rem Mag... but it is your "play." You have a good time. Haven't heard of the .20 PPC yet, or .20 BR... but what do I know? Not much. Enjoy.
 

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Why do you want to do so much work???? If your wanting a long range varmint rifle in a handy rifle why not take a .223 otu to a .22-243 Middle Stead or a .22-6mm. I built a .22-6mm and it looks like my load will be an 80 gn. Berger bullet at 3,471 fps. I have had them to 3,779 but blowed primers, and looks like accuracy will be best at just under 3,500 fps. That takes an 8 twist though and I doubt you`ll be able to get an 8 twist in a Handy Rifle. You should be able to get good accuracy with 70 gn. bullets and push them over 4,000 fps with eather round.
 

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Thanks guys , I am just looking for something diffrent , with all of the factory rounds out there finding a good varmint round is no problem and as for it being too much work , its more a case of can i do it or not .

Granted i would want to shoot it , but right now its the challenge of the loading that i'm looking for .

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Maybe I have the only one like this.......in the 20-225 A.I. Just purchased recently configured in a T/C Encore rifle barrel. This should be able to launch a 20 cal. bullet of 30-40gr. over 4,000 fps..........225 will have powder capacity between 223 and 22-250 and is a strong case. The seller of this barrel is having the second rifle built on a SA Remington........C-1
 

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invent something like take a 30/30 case cut it down to 357 Herret length then neck it to say 5mm ?
 

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How about going the other way? Cutting it back to 2.25 inches Necking brass 20 ga to .577 and shooting Minnie ball out of it.
 

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wd

already have a 45/70 and have a .577-450 MH in the works to shoot BP but i like the way you think . ;D

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Thanks,
I have been thinking about that one for a 20ga 870 for a while with about 70 grains of pyrodex as a camp cannon.
What about playing with the 303 Brit case? I think I have a 100 or so once fired Remington in the garage I could send you.
Cut it back to 1.912" and neck it to .257 to make a rimed .250 savage or to 2" and neck to .264 making a rimed .260 rem and shoot 120 grain ballistic tipped bullets a little over 3000Fps in either. What do you think about using Weatherby's shoulder angle to make it more difficult and unique. Or cut it way back and make a 6mm PPC rimed.
I think the rim would be an advantage in the Handi. Or are you looking not to chase the cases you worked so hard to make, all over the range if you miss it on opening. Oh yea you could dis engage the ejector and make it an extractor. Sorry had a duhh moment.
 

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Hey I lied, I don't have the 303 brass out there. It may be at the other garage. I'll check there next week when I reload some shot shells over there. I do have a bunch of .223 once fired Fed, LC, and Remington you can have instead. How about cutting them back and making 251 fireball? Or 321 fireball?
Brian.
E-mail me and let me know where to send the brass. 200 OK?
 

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Doesniper said:
6.8 spc necked down to 22?

That is almost exactly the OLD wildcat 22 Lindahl Chucker, based on 30 Rem shortened to about 1.7 and necked to 22.

Almost anything that has been thought of has been done long ago.

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In keeping with the new shorter/fatter craze of useless cartridges, how about the .50BMG shortened to 2 inches and necked down to .12 caliber? Don't know if it would work in a Rem 700 short action, maybe a Ruger #1? Be the first on your block to have a 12000FPS Brontosaurus gun!!!
 

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What did you decide on?
Do you want some 22 Hornet brass to blow out to a strait wall and stick 270 or 6.5 mm and use 85 grain soft points. Launch them around 1800 FPS. Or even neck it down to 6mm.
Or go heavy with the bullets and slower on the speed and make a mini whisper. Call it 264 Hush!
156 grain 264 round nose soft point at 1175 fps.
 

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What about 22 or 6mm Dasher?
22-250 case cut down and necked to 22 or 6mm. Both are in my copy of COTW.
308X1.5
308 case cut down to 1.5 inches and necked the same as 308.
You could go with 7-08, 243 or 260 X1.5
 

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22/3000 LOVELL no case turn from brass stock.
Just an idea for ya.
 

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But he said he wanted to try cutting down a case and necking it down with the case capacity of .223. So I offered 22 Dasher ect.
Hey necking down 300 savage to 22 isn't that already called 22-250?
 

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This won't work for a handi and I'm not sure if anyone has done this yet but, I think an ultra mag shortened enough to fit in a standard length action would be a great cartirdge. I'd think in 7MM you could get 7STW velocitie in a standard action.
 
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