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I will be hunting coyotes on a farm, by a populated area, and am looking to pick up a yote gun that wont rattle the whole area when I squeeze one off.

What are your suggestions? Accurate, low noise, and effective are the key words here.

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Sometimes effectiveness and decibels go together but, in my experience albeit limited, my K Hornet (also in its earlier incarnation as a .22 Hornet) fills the bill for me on coyotes. Sort of depends on how far you're shooting and to what degree you can pick your shots, I reckon.
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This would be for 200 yards at the max. I would put most at 100+/-, mostly under.
 

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If you handload you can use a .223 to great effectiveness out to 200 yards by loading a 35 to 40-grain bullet and BlueDot powder. This produces an extremely accurate load with a report close to a normal Hornet, yet a velocity around 3000 fps. This gives you a huge number of rifles to chose from, not just the very few available in smaller cartridges like the .218 Bee, .22 Hornet, .25-20, etc. Nothing wrong with the latter three of course - I use a .25-20 for small game myself - but the .223 is more versatile. If you ever want to go varmint hunting in another area, full-power .223 loads give you the ability to engage targets out to 300 yards and beyond.
 

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This will probably be somewhat controversial, but sounds like the perfect place for a .17 HMR. Not very noisy, and with 17 grain V-Max bullets, this round is low risk for ricochet. I agree this round is light for a Coyote, but many report that with proper bullet placement the round is effective out to 100 yards on Coyotes. I would prefer a 20 grain XTP, but in a populated area, the highly explosive V-Max would be a safer choice for me.

A centerfire of .17, .20 or .22 caliber would be more effective, but again, given the conditions described above, I would give the hummer a look. Sounds like perfect fit for those conditions.
 

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Forget the .17 HMR even using the heavier 20 gr. bullets. It wounds, not kills.[/color] Been there and done that.

My favorite Coyote rifle is the .22 Hornet. Deadly accurate and powerful enough for song dogs out to 200 yards. I really wouldn't try to stretch it further. The greatest great part about the Hornet is ammo is available everywhere and reloading wise a one pound can of powder seems to last forever. Go with the .22 Hornet and you won’t be sorry. Lawdog
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This is a no brainer. 22 hornet, My little 77-22 Hornet just loves Coyotes.
I try to set up to where i don't have to shoot over 200 yds but like them to be in the 100yds range..........Joe........
 

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Lawdog, LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE KILLED COYOTES WITH THE .17[/color]
 

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Hi i have used my 22 mag i would keep it under 100 yds i have killed them over a 100 yrds BUT i would keep it under a 100 yrds to make a good clean kill i have never shot a 17 i have just heard storys about them and they wasnt much good on coyotes VM
 

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Lawdog, LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE KILLED COYOTES WITH THE .17[/color]
Victor,

I went with a state contract animal control officer that tried to use a .17 HMR on two different hunts. He called in a total of 9 Coyotes that he got shots at. Ranges were from about 30 to 75 yards. Final score was 1 Coyote that dropped dead at the shot(the only head shot of the bunch) and 8 wounded Coyotes that we had to try and tract down. Lost 6 of the 8 due to no blood trail. The little .17 caliber entrance hole just flat closed up. The two Coyotes we did find were still alive and had to be dispatched over an hour after they were shot. Nothing wrong with shot placement or the guys shooting either. We did a field autopsy on the two that we did find that had been chest shot and the bullets never reached the lungs or heart. The bullets had fragmented just after entering the chest area. One piece had pierce the stomach on one Coyote and the other was just laying under some buckbrush licking the entrance wound when we found it. This was the last time he tried to use that .17 as he put it up for sale and went back to his .222 Remington.

Sure there are some Coyotes that have been killed with the .17 HMR just as there have been thousands of deer killed with a .22lr. Does that make the .22lr a proper deer cartridge? I have talked to many varmint callers that have tried the .17 HMR and by far the majority(over 90%) of them report more failures than successes. Using the .17 HMR on any animal over 12 - 15 pounds is not being a responsible hunter. Even the 20 gr. bullet fragments way to easily(I tried them for myself). I am not saying that the .17 HMR isn’t a fine cartridge, it is but not for Coyote size critters. Lawdog
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Victorcharlie,

There is more than one 17 cal. If you were talking about the 17rem that would be different but the little 17hmr isn't enough to humanely kill a coyote. I have killed yotes out to some long ranges with my 17rem but we are getting away from the posted topic which was number one noise and effective range, That was what i tried to express in my post. Have a good day......Joe....... :D
 

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I too agree with the 22 Hornet. If you need more power, you might want to consider the 221 Fireball.

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Controversy always follows the mention of the .17 HMR and Coyotes. Yes, I agree it's light for coyotes. Yes hitting them with something more powerful would be more certain of dropping them where they stand. However, there have been many posts by people that have killed coyotes with them, alot of them in dropping in their tracks. There have been others who have had results similar to yours.

Now, I'm not saying you California boys aren't good shots, but I am saying other people have not had the problems you have. This topic is surely to be a source of controversy every time it comes up. I do admit I have limited experience on game with the .17HMR, but have used the 20 grain on crows and have seen it penetrate through a 5/8 inch pine fence after leaving the crow, the distance being over 100 yards.

If the Coyotes are causing a problem, given the choice of not being able to hunt them because of noise and safety concerns, or using the .17 HMR, I'd use the .17 HMR, and my choice would be the very explosive V-max, because in this case, the bullet doesn't need the risk of a ricochet. Yes, I might wound one, but how many deer are wounded by bow hunters every season? I don't hear the out cry about that.......and around here at least, deer are held in much higher regard than the coyote. I'm sure no one wants to wound game, but it happens, right or wrong.........and with cartridges much larger and more powerful than the .17 HMR

Oh heck, now that I think about it, why don't you bow hunt for those particular coyotes?
 

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Low noise Coyote Gun.

I have been using a 221 Fireball in a 527 CZ. It has become my favorite calling gun. Its very accurate,low noise, and easy to carry. I to hunt in a populated area. Just use the right bullets, I started out with 40 Gr. Nosler BTs but they do not penetrate to well. Switched to 50 Spire Points. I have called in and shot 6 coyotes and 2 Greyfox in the last 2 years all 1 shot kills. All shot at 60 yds or less. As for the 17 HMR I have one in a 452 CZ with a 4-12X Burris compact, Its accurate and has the perttist stock of any gun I own but Iam not to sure what to hunt with it, I saw a crow shot with a 17 Hmr at about 60 yds feather flew and so did the crow, not real well but he still flew away. My 22 Mag. did a better job on water filled plastic jugs than the 17. Good Luck Deathray
 

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Ive thought about the HMR, but I agree that it is a little too light for yote use. Ive thought about the 17 Rem, but noise is an issue.

The 22 Hornet, .223, and 221 fireball all seem like good suggestions. Any other's? What are your setups?

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I like the idea of the hornet. but I also like the latitude that the .223 gives you.

My next question: Can the .223 be loaded down to the Hornet's velocity to quiet it down, yet still retain its accuracy and lethality?

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My next question: Can the .223 be loaded down to the Hornet's velocity to quiet it down, yet still retain its accuracy and lethality?
Yes.
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If you handload you can use a .223 to great effectiveness out to 200 yards by loading a 35 to 40-grain bullet and BlueDot powder. This produces an extremely accurate load with a report close to a normal Hornet, yet a velocity around 3000 fps. This gives you a huge number of rifles to chose from, not just the very few available in smaller cartridges like the .218 Bee, .22 Hornet, .25-20, etc. Nothing wrong with the latter three of course - I use a .25-20 for small game myself - but the .223 is more versatile. If you ever want to go varmint hunting in another area, full-power .223 loads give you the ability to engage targets out to 300 yards and beyond.
 

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OK, Im sold on the .223. Now what barrel twist would be good? There are several choises, from 1 in 9 up to 1 in 16....

I am more interested in quiet and effective, rather then loud and effective. I'll be loading the rounds on the light side...Any suggestions? How about bullets?

A hide or two would be nice, but Im more interested in ridding my deer hunting area of coyotes.

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Look up "to bee or 223" on http://www.jamescalhoon.com/ under Informative Articles, I have not used it for 223 but found data for 243 and it worked well quite accurate. Just be careful He says it on the page but i'll repeat it here these are near full or full pressure loads that produce lower velocities.

From what I have read guys are getting good results with the win 45 gr HP bulk.
 

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Lone Star's got it right - the 223/Blue Dot recipe is a wonderful concoction! I've loaded probably a thousand by now, all but a few for the chrono and sighters were fired at fur.

Mine typically go a little better than 2800 fps depending on bullet and make noise on par with a 22 mag, per my calibrated, Mark II eardrum :)

Cheers!

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