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Fox News showed picture of perp... His main gripe was that he lost his job at MacDonald's and his sweetie quit him !
Why and how have things changed so much? Years ago, if someone were so depressed over personal problems, he
would either take his own life or possibly take the direct "offender" with him..now they strike out at the innocent !
What has "civilization" come to?

This morning I was up early and watching the History Channel, which was showing some films from the 50s..
covering Pres Eisenhower's diplomatic trips to the Mideast; Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. The news footage
showed cheering crowds and the narrator spoke in admiring terms about "our President". When he got home,
he was welcomed by crowds, confetti and the news people were congratulating "our President".

Common sense tells us that certainly not all the people producing that film were voters who had elected President
Eisenhower; but still..there were no complaints about his foreign policy, no snide remarks about his election victory !
When the President was touring, the news people spoke only respectfully about him. When he arrived home in
Washington, the narrator mentioned how great it is for anyone, but especially for our President to arrive back home
in the "good old USA"!..

Compare that with today's reportage and today's people who are in the spotlight ! Many make crude, sicko remarks
about our President and other leaders..they often are the first ones to complain about how unfair, indecent and
downright "rotten" the USA is ..(makes one wonder why they stay here).

How much of an intellectual jump is it for a teenager, already hurting from life's "unfairness" to catch that same
"hate disease" that he hears and sees being bandied about by people who SHOULD be mature and responsible
enough to control their own hateful emotions. There are some well known people called "celebrities", from all walks
of life, that are just stupid enough to demonstrate their hate to impressionable, already hurting, poorly adjusted
teenagers.

Where does all this HATE come from..our society never used to be this way ? Is this the new "chic" ?
Is it "cool" to be a clod ?

I submit that this kid was "egged on' by all the anger and hate he sees everywhere around him ? ..but of
course, he won't see it here anymore..nor will 10 or 12 other innocent people !


Has our media "given him permission" to vent his pain in this way ?

Sorry for the long rant, but our country, our people are not the same as they were a few short decades ago !
We are worse, not better for it..and I don't know if we will ever get it back..looks doubtful !

BTW: Of course, once again.."guns' will be blamed..and none will mention the culture of hate the lad was brought up in.
 

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I think the problems of people like him are multi-faceted. First off is the acceptance of violence, brought about by so much violent video games, movies, and rap songs. Then there is a need to be "known" due to media coverage, and web-sites ( my-space, blogs, and such). People like him feel they will be "famous", or known forever. Then certainly a break-down of the family structure factors in, as does a general lack of respect for other people ( perhaps starting with parents, teachers, cops, etc.). Being "spoiled" since an early age doesn't help ( "no one understands little Johnny.."). A general lack of Religion enters the picture. Various prescription drugs might have a bearing. And on and on.
But then, remember there have been "thrill killings" before the above entered the picture. Leopuld/Lowbe ( spelling???, in the 1930's or so ). The young guy and his girlfriend who killed about 6 people in the mid-west in the '50's ( forgot their names ). And so on.
Sometimes evil happens.
Wish I had a better answer!!!
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ironglow , at one time we were team players , we voted and supported who ever won , the elected did what was good for the country ! and the world !
today the elected do what they need to do in order to get elected , can you say special interest group ?
and SI group cries when they don't get what they want !
as far as the rest of the world mass shootings and bombs are the norm as far as getting attention goes , guess we have arrived at a lower level of respect and honor for team spirit ! we are a me people now !
SHAME !
 

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We only have ourselves to blame for the current politically correct trend. We buy the newpapers full of sensationalism. We elected officials that constantly lie and commit perjury while applauding his 80%+ popularity. All the while our embassies are bombed, our ships blown up, our enforcement officers are burning buildings in a hostage crisis and killing innocents in standoffs. What about our politically correct policy of education in which the teachers without authority to administer corporal punishment, who babysit our children not teach, so my wife and I can have 2 jobs and attain the American dream. Or the neighborhood and community that pleads 1st Amendment rights to silent prayer or Pledge of Allegiance in classroom, lawsuits against the Boy Scouts of America so gays can become leaders and members all the while with criticism of their standards. It is so easy to blame someone else for our faults when the truth is we are responsible for our own actions, not the tools at hand. Newsmax quoted "Police believe Hawkins stole the assault rifle, an AK-47, from his stepfather's home, Warren said." Since when are we going to stand up and tell these reporters that a semi auto rifle is not an assault weapon. This term has been used so much by the Brady bunch that it has come to mean something entirely different than the truth. A sanitation engineer is still a garbage man to me and human resources directer still means personnel manager. Go ahead and use the politacally correct terms and we will find that sexual orientation will become a right instead of an aberation.
 

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If you want to get down to it we are a victim of our our media. Monkey see monkey do. These things are reported so much now days that we have copy cats. Dale
 

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GatCat hit on most of them. Few more problem area's--Make sure that when Johjnny or Billy is growing up, he doesn't learn how to lose. Even if his team is, or him, is the the pits, make sure he gets a trophy for just showing up, don't chew him out for screwing up, just tell him, it's ok, try and do better next time. That way, when real life hits him in the ass, he doesn't know how to handle it. Sometimes ya lose. Get up off your butt and keep moving on.
Lets make sure we take religion out of daily life. Why answer to God. The sports hero making 10 million a year that's using steriods, cheating on his wife, Hollywood celebrities hooked on drugs, not wanting to take care of their own children. Thats some of these kids gods. I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. gypsyman
 

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They will blame the guns and wonder how he got them. I think they said he stole them from his dads safe, and then on CNN(i know) they said that the man was irresponsible about keeping his guns locked up and that we need stricter laws. What got me was last night they were talking about it and they asked the woman who works for the Hospital if you could tell what type of gun it was by the one bullet hole. He was asking was it a semi auto and I am sitting there like how the **** did you get into the news and know that a single bullet wound would tell what the gun was. The he went on asking what caliber and I am sitting there like this is a bunch of BS. So I turn it over to fox and they are interviewing the cops asking well were the security cop armed and where were they and the cops said they ran because all they has was mace and some handcuffs and were being paid minimum wage. Then they went and interviewed people in the mall and asked if they would support the security guards caring guns and all said no. I thought well **** if you are worried about this man then why don't you want the only security you have there to not carry a gun but yet you seemed surprised when they ran and hid just like you? I am all for the security guards getting paid more and carrying guns or just hiring cops like they do in the schools these days. I am also for arming the teachers in schools.
 

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From several sources it seems Hawkins was treated for or being treated for ADHA and depression. He was doped up!? Need more verification on this , but let's see if mainstream media brings this out. Looks like the same pattern with these kids. Gee, maybe there's a side affect giving kids Pharma's solution for unruly kids... ::)

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I don't know if any of us have the complete answers...but it sure looks like almost everyone who has answered here so far has made a lot of good sense !

If, in spite of how we may disagree on some details..we; a bunch of average hunters/shooters know what makes good sense..

How is it most the media, politicians and super-celebs all seem to be talking gibberish ?

Methinks..they are not so smart as they PRETEND to be!
 

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30-06, the reporters may have spoken with people a little before the cameras started rolling to see if they would support an anti gun agenda, then did the interview. Something like that was documented back in the Rodney King riots and after at least one hurricane in Florida.
 

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Fox news has never appeared the be anti gun or anything. The media does get in and change peoples minds. I just wonder if some of the people were staged?
 

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More than likely they were photo opted or sorted out for the effect--not all were included.
Who can say but I will think that if ONE had a chance too lessen the carnage and didn't that will play on the mind.
Would I have---who knows---I hope so.
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I think Gypsyman has it right in that society doesn't allow for having anyone lose. I attended a kids basketball game to watch my nephew play in a tournament. These were six-year olds, tournament finishes and they award 1st through 3rd place. One of the kids mothers that was on one of the losing teams asked where the trophies were for the rest of the kids. Needless to say she was shocked and offended that her little boy was not going to get anything for playing. The coach calmly explained to her that this was actually a life lesson and our kids need to not only learn how to deal with life's disappointments, but do it in a classy manner. She just walked away, but I was proud of him for standing up to that parent. All too often society has taught kids that even when you finish last there will still be a prize for you.

The fact that this young man came from a broken home in my opinion just added to his inability to cope. I hope the media doesn't portray this as a gun control issue. ::)
 

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I guess when your team looses now they don't make you run laps anymore ?
and when ya screw up bad do they not have blanket parties anymore ?
how do the motivate teenage boys to get it right these days ?
 

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SHOOTALL said:
I guess when your team looses now they don't make you run laps anymore ?
and when ya screw up bad do they not have blanket parties anymore ?
how do the motivate teenage boys to get it right these days ?
Things of the past.

Not allowed to be a loser anymore.

I imagine they'll start solidifying the laws to make it so kids can't be fired, and that you'll have civil litigation options available if your girlfriend throws you to the curb. You know, mental anguish, breech of contract, alienation of ego. Some other BS.

I heard where they won't allow drill sergeants curse at the recruits anymore.
 

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Although I taught my sons and grandkids that sometimes you lose..but they must be ready to try harder next time around.

Then i stressed the importance of conditioning and preparation ..so they would not have to face losing..

I am glad I did it..since my oldest grandson (23) has just finished his second deployment (Spec Ops Marine) to the Ramadi/ Fallujah area..

Young people should be taught to win..and they should be taught that there is a cost to losing..

..Because in what many of our young folks are facing in Iraq & Afghanistan..the personal cost of losing even a small confrontation..could be MUCH GREATER !
 

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That's what I have taught my son and daughter. But I cannot say the same for my nephews because my brother seems to not think the same as I and yall.
 

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30-06 man;

I hear where you're coming from ! My youngest brother is as far left as John Kerry !..

He spent his working (?) life in the "education industry" both high school and college level..and
apparently swallowed their whole schtick ..hook, line and sinker..

In my few discussions with him..common sense and logic seem to bear no part in his decisions
about things, especially along political lines.
It is indeed heart wrenching to find someone with enough letters (BA,MA,PHD) behind his name to
make a helping of alphabet soup...make political pronouncements that come out sounding no more
brilliant than a street chant such as....
(e.g.) " Hey, hey..ho, ho...western civilization has got to go !"

Yes; he did serve a couple years (honorably) in the Army '68 -'70...but all I hear is a limp backing of the
troops with severe criticism of the military in general !
I could understand such criticism of the military if he were to offer the same type critique of teachers
and teacher's unions !
But alas; such is not forthcoming...

Yes he is my brother and I love him..but sure can't agree with him ...
 

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My brother served in the marines for 4 years and didn't seem to learn how to do anything. Then he went and worked in a factory and supported Clinton and those who got rid of his job. Now he supports John Edwards along with the union and has no common sense. I don't see how a factory worker and a hunter could so such a thing. He says he supports the hunting organizations but yet seems to support anti gun and hunting presidential candidates. He seems to believe in everyone of their lies.
 

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I can only echo what has been said above. The PC behavior practiced by so many people in this country is leading us down the same path as Europe. The sheepification of America opens the door to Socialists, ex. the Dems Pres candidates. Let's see....take from those who work hard or smart or both and give to the lazy azzez. Anyway a child having been or now being raised by the group on this discussion ought to consider themselves blessed.
 
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