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First of all I want to thank quickdtoo and trotterlg for giving me advice and ideas about this project.

I just got my scout setup put together to see what it looks like and to check the eye relief of the 2x Leupold handgun scope.
I used a Weaver #92A scope base for the T/C Contender (Thanks trotterlg). It uses four 6-48 screws to attach it to the barrel, this is the same size screws that the Handi barrel uses for the rear sight. The two center holes in the base are the correct spacing for the rear sight holes that are already drilled and tapped in the barrel. I have already ordered the drill bits and taps from MidwayUSA so that I can install the other two screws in the base and complete my project.
I already had a set of Weaver low rings and these will work great. They are so low that the eye piece will contact the base if you move it any more forward. I'm thinking about removing the metal at the top rear of the base, up to the first cross slot, this would allow me to slide the scope all the way up against the rear ring.
The scope is far enough forward that I can still carry the gun around the frame which makes them so Handi. The Weaver rings are easily removed with a coin should I desire to remove the scope in the field and use the peep sights. I took the gun outside and shouldered it several times at various objects and the scope picture was great and fast to get on target. I had my wife measure the distance from my eye to the eye piece of the scope and she said it was twelve inches.
As soon as I get the other two holes drilled and tapped and get all four screws in the base I'll try this rig out with some ammo.
I'm going to try to post a picture of my project, this is my first attempt at a picture so wish me luck.

GOOD SHOOTING!
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Excellent!!!
 

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You've done well grasshopper I'am shaking your hand you cracked thanks!!! O wonder what other barrels it will work on. I guess it will depend on taper of the barrel
 

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quickdtoo said:
Lookin good, I'll add this to the FAQs!! ;D

Tim
WOW! Thanks Tim, I'll take that as a complement.

Thanks GrampaMike & Foggy,
I was at Gander Mtn yesterday and they had a 44 Magnum Handi-Rifle. It had the same taper as my 45-70. I had taken measurements of my barrel and wrote them down on a piece of paper. I took the paper and a caliper with me to Gander Mtn. They also had Weaver bases for the T/C Encore which also uses 6-48 screws and has the same hole spacing as the Contender, but the Encore base is just barely to large in diameter. I was able to try both bases at Gander Mtn on their 44 Handi-Rifle to check for fit and the Contender base was the one to use.
Also the Contender base could be reversed on the Handi barrel if you need to mount the scope closer to your eye, because it has a shelf on one end. The Encore base would not allow you to do this because it would ride up on the chamber part of the barrel, because it has no shelf.
I have taken a couple more pictures to give you a better look at the actual mount. As you can see in the photo with the scope removed, I have two of the mounting screws installed in the rear sight holes. The screws that came with the base are the correct length. I can't wait to get the other two screws installed and shoot this thing!

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Man, that is going to be a fine rifle.I have two scout set ups and have had great luck with them really good work Doug
 

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canon6 said:
Man, that is going to be a fine rifle.I have two scout set ups and have had great luck with them really good work Doug
Thank you canon6,
What type rifles have you setup into the scout configuration?
This is my first one and so far I'm very pleased with how it's turning out.
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Slufoot

Thanks alot buddy , you just had to go and do that didn't you . ;D My 22" 45/70 is sitting here with no scope and i just happen to have a 2x handgun scope + a set of med. Weaver rings on the shelf .

stimpy

PS --- I like the idea , you did good ;)
 

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stimpylu32 said:
Slufoot

Thanks alot buddy , you just had to go and do that didn't you . ;D My 22" 45/70 is sitting here with no scope and i just happen to have a 2x handgun scope + a set of med. Weaver rings on the shelf .

stimpy

PS --- I like the idea , you did good ;)
stimpy, sorry but I'm always tinkering with guns, can't never leave well enough alone.
All you need is a $10 base, a couple of holes drilled and tapped and you should be good to go.
Thanks for the complement!

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That is the shiz NITZ! I see a new scope setup for my 16½" .308 bbl in the future!!! I'll bet you could get by with 2 screws on a 44mag bbl. Thats what I had on my 45/410 survivor and it was solid!!
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The 45/70 is a great candidate for a scout rifle. I have had two scouts a 45/70 and 1917 enfield in 9.3x62. They are very practicle hunting weapons. they shoot great out to 150-200 yards for the 45/70 and are plenty accurate for hunting applications. One thing I will caution you when target shooting with it. Don't try to use the standard rifle style target with fine bullseye. Instead use somehing like a 6" solid orange or black bullseye and aim for the middle. Its fairly easy to shoot some pretty good groups when shooting for the center of a larget bullet as compared to tryign to see a tiny bullseye at longer ranges. I'm sure you will really enjoy it. Try some Rem 405gr JSP with H322 for around 1900fps, they are real hammers on deer and black bear.
 

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Only scout configuration in a rifle is my 1937 Husqvarna 9,3 X 57 Mauser rifle, I mounted a Bushnell Red Dot scope using the front scope mounts which lets me load with a stripper clip. Which is the original idea of Col Cooper, but I didnt shorten the barrel to 18 inches or use a pistol scope, but it is mine and I like it. JimP.;D
 

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Looks sweet! I know if I'm ever gonna put a scope on a 45/70 it'll be in scout configuration. Cause I've seen guys come into the local shop with shiners from shooting short eye relief scopes on big guns :eek:. Can't wait to see the report man!
 

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Neat idea but I won't jump on the bandwagon until we see a range report. I would expect that the barrel taper would cause it to shoot extremely high since the T/C mount does not have a corresponding taper to its' underside. In other words, your scope is parallel to the top of the barrel, not to the bore, but hopefully the scope will have sufficient range of adjustment, maybe.
 

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I'm trying to do the same thing with an old model 058 in 30-30 (made in 1984). Tried an extra TC scope mount that I had and the barrel contour didn't match up. My barrel is skinny and tapered so I am back in the chase for a scope mount.
 

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Very nice rifle you've built there. That is almost the rifle I would like to build for banging around on the quad. Thanks for sharing the pictures.

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remember your scope must be mounted level with the bore or the scope is looking down. you will shoot way high dangerously high depending how far you are trying to shoot. when you bore sight you will need alot of elevation Slufoot Idea is so good but needs refining or you will be shooting over your backstop. sorry for sounding like chicken little
 

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The taper on the "bull barrel" handi's is just about right to get the scope right in the middle of it's adjustment at 100 yards. My 22 Mag had plenty of adjustment left, even having it zero at 50 yards, Thompson Contender base and I used low rings. Larry

 

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coyotejoe & Foggy, I've thought alot about the barrel taper. The Leupold 2x handgun scope has 86 inches of elevation adjustment, this should be plenty. If the scope will not adjust enough all I will have to do is shim the front of the base up which is no big deal.

Thebear_78, I know what you mean about using a large target with a low power scope. I have shot some very respectable groups with large targets and iron sights, peep sights and low power scopes.
If you can't see your target how in the heck are you supposed to hit it?
I load the 405 Remington bullet for my Marlin 1895 Guide Gun and push it to 1750 FPS and it does great on whitetails.

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Very nice rifle you've built there. That is almost the rifle I would like to build for banging around on the quad. Thanks for sharing the pictures.

roscoe
whiteoper, That is exactly what I'm doing with this gun. I modified and mounted a set of gun holding brackets in the threaded holes for mounting mirrors on my ATV, and this is where my Handi rides.

trotterlg, you posted as I was writing this. Thanks for the information on the elevation adjustment and also for letting me know about the Contender base.
Is your base a Weaver 92A? I don't see the overhang on one end like mine has.

Our last day of firearms deer season is Saturday and I'm hoping to get this thing done before then so I can try to get a deer with it. I'll let you all know how it does just as soon as I Git-R-Done.

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Mine is a 92A, I just cut the overhang off. Some people pay a lot of money for scope mounts with some elevation built into them, the long range shooters would love to have what we have. I may shoot a Coyote with mine next week, I keep it in Arizona, I know it is not good form to shoot Coyotes with a 22 Mag, but I will call them in real close. Larry
 
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