Ah but the Fireball is the answer for the fellah that wants to shoot some pasture griz in a fairly settled neighborhood. Not much noisier than a Hornet it don't scare the women folks very much. The cartridge is easy to load , the shoulders don't collapse, and the brass lasts for more than a couple of reloads. If the makers had been smart all those Hornets that made up the revival a few years back, would have been Firballs and the guys who bought 'em would be a lot happier. :grin: