Graybeard,Graybeard said:Lawdog you seem rather prone to make life changing decisions based on one or two isolated instances. Either that or you just like to knock every thing I speak favorably of.
Would you care to give us more details on the Bushnell/Tasco problems. I'd like to speak with my contact at Bushnell regarding them but with no info cannot do so.
Like everyone else I'm sure that from time to time a bad one slips out there. I've had two defective items with the Bushnell name on them in the past 30 years or so of using a BUNCH of them. The first was promptly replaced. The second is in transit to them now and I'm sure it too will be replaced.
So rather than just bad mouth a company that is as good as any of them out there and better than most let's hear some specifics. Give us names and dates and a description of the problem.
Prior to Bushnell buying the Tasco name and during the period when things were really going down hill for Tasco. Soap box rant mode on. Serves you right for dealing with Kmart. Soap box rant mode off. :lol:Graybeard,
No problem. Lets start with Tasco. The first Tasco I had a problem with was a 3-9x 40mm that I bought in December of 2001 from Kmart(on a Xmas close out sale). After mounting it on my rifle I discovered that the windage wouldnt move at all. Crank it all the way each way and it made no difference, POI wouldnt change. Kmart wouldnt take it back and wouldnt exchange it as they had no other Tasco scopes in the store. I called Tasco and they had me send it to them, I did via UPS and had them sign for it. That was the last I heard from them until I received notice that they had filed for bankruptcy. Filled out the form that came with the notice and never heard from them again.
Who said it would be suitable for air guns? Did Tasco or Bushnell? Was it on the box or on any literature with the scope or on their website? If not then the blame can't falll on them. If it did and they didn't fix it shame on them. I'm betting there was nothing from Tasco/Bushnell saying it was for air guns.Second Tasco scope was a 2.5-10x 42mm Target and Varmint model that I bought in 2004 and was told that would be suitable for air rifle use. Mounted it on a HW97 and it didnt last through sight-in. Finally got Big 5 Sports to take it back but only after many letters and phone calls. Our local sporting goods store used to have a drawer full of busted Tasco scopes that he couldn't return. He finally ended up re-cycling them. He no longer ccarries Tasco or Bushnell products.
Kinda long ago to do much about now on the Trophy. Not sure the warranty period on it. The Elite is still covered. I suggest you call again and ask to speak to someone else if you get that answer. I'll discuss this with my POC this week if I can reach her. That's definitely not normal and should be covered under warranty. Me thinks you let them off too quickly and easily or maybe got irate which never helps. Yeah I do it to some times when being nice don't get the job done. But it pretty much never helps me either. :roll:Bushnell - I bought a Trophy 6-18X 40mm #73-6184, one of the ones Bushnell recommends for springer air rifle use, and a Elite 3200 5-15X 40mm #32-5154M that both have the same problem. The power adjustment ring is so stiff it requires both hands to turn them. Called their customer service department and told the gal on the phone my problem. I was told that it was normal and the adjustment ring would loosen up with use. I take them down ever so often and work the rings and after two years they havent loosened up yet in nearly two years. I know a number of shooters that have had the same problem with Bushnell variables so it's not just me or a few "bad ones" that slipped thru.
No you did nothing wrong. You have the same right to state an opinion as anyone else. Just seems we sure have widely different experiences with the same products. In the case of both these and Remingtons yours is somewhat limited. In both cases I've got experience with lots. Hundreds of Remingtons and well over 50 Bushnells. I'm less inclined I guess to give up after a single bad experience or even a couple. I've had as many bad experiences with RCBS and Leupold as you with Bushnell and Remington and they are generally considered the best in the industry on customer service and warranty work.I do not arbitrary bad mouth manufactures, only those I have been burnt by. I only comment on products that I have personal experience with. You and I have disagreed on a number of products BUT we have agreed on a number of products too. mohunter asked for opinions and I gave mine. Did I do wrong in doing so? If so, I will check with you before ever expressing an opinion again. Lawdog
The manager at Big 5 Sports. We went through the specs and the Target and Varmint model was the only one that would focus down to the ranges that air rifles are normally shot. My problem came when I returned the scope busted and the manager called his rep and was told Tasco wouldnt replace it or refund the money. I have since learned that Tasco doesn't make a scope approved for springer air rifles.Who said it would be suitable for air guns?
Have you ever had to deal with Remington's Customer Service department over a rifle that won't group? Or a rifle that the inletting of the action looked like it was done with a box ax? Or shotguns that jam after every shot? I too own a number of Remington rifles that are excellent weapons. Accurate and well made. I used to be one of their biggest promoters. But all were made before 1980. Also it's not just my experiences with Remington and Bushnell. I personally know many others that have had the same problems.In the case of both these and Remingtons yours is somewhat limited.
Why keep going back to a company after they screwed you over twice? I have had problems with other companies but their Customer Service Dpartments have always made them right so I still go back to them. In the cases of Remington and Bushnell their Customer Service Departments showed they didnt care. Why would I go back to a company that doesnt care for their customers except for the money they spend on their products? Sorry to disagree with you. LawdogI'm less inclined I guess to give up after a single bad experience or even a couple. I've had as many bad experiences with RCBS and Leupold as you with Bushnell and Remington and they are generally considered the best in the industry on customer service and warranty work.
Well yes sorta. Had a 541T HB that wouldn't group. It was shipped back at Remington's expense and replaced with a new one. Had an R700 LSS Mtn. Rifle in .260 Rem. I picked up used that the inletting for barrel was cut off center big time. Called and was told to return stock for replacement at no cost. I paid to ship it to them but that's all my cost and I bought it used and told them so. Had an 1100 20 ga. skeet gun back in my competition days that jammed pretty much all the time. Gave it to a Remington Rep at a skeet shoot and when I got it back from him at no cost it never bobbled again as long as I owned it. No charge.Have you ever had to deal with Remington's Customer Service department over a rifle that won't group? Or a rifle that the inletting of the action looked like it was done with a box ax? Or shotguns that jam after every shot?
Being civil towards each other is what makes Graybeard Outdoors [/color]different from most of the other forums. Strange thing is ole' Graybeard[/color] and I could most likely share a hunting camp without spilling blood. :blaster: A beer or two maybe but no blood. Might have to loan him my Savage .270 WSM so he could collect his game though being handicapped with them offerings from the Big Green like he is. :-D :-D :-D :-D LawdogGraybeard said:Hey at least we're being civil in our disagreement. Heck me and Lawdog don't agree on much of anything. But we get to argue a lot.