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Gents I'm going to be moving to Alaska soon, military (Elmendorf AB), and I'm looking for all the help I can get. I know it is just another greenhorn coming up to over crowd one of the last few place still left to spoil. I honestly have no intentions on spoiling anything. Rather I would honestly like to add to the community. I just love the outdoors!!! :) I have hunted in the Midwest, Idaho, Montana, and Germany. It is always hard moving so much, being the new kid on the block, What it and a few years here & there has taught me is that the experts have lived there and know the right way to do things and there experiance is hard earned. I 'm sincerly asking for any advice on getting started the right way. Thanks for lessoning to the rablings of an old cuss. Old Moss
 

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Welcome to the site!

You will find that everyone one here will be willing to help you. We already have one member from the base, Matt, that is probably bear hunting this weekend.

Just let us know what you would like to know and someone will help you out. Alaska is a great place to be but you need help like this to eliminate the bad hunting and fishing spots from the good ones. It is also a lot safer having the advice of others up here. This is a little different hunting and you have to be careful.

Fire away with the questions and welcome to Graybeard Outdoors! :D
 

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Old Moss,
Guten Morgen! Wie geht's?
Good to hear from you. Rest assured those of us in Alaska that slipped in ahead of you look forward to answering any questions you might have and sharing those "pearls of wisdom" you bring from afar! This is a good site and the overall temperament you see here is more typical of most Alaskans! Heck, even Graybeard is an "honorary Alaskan!" :eek: :)
We look forward to "gewohnlich nebst sie!"
best,
bhtr
 

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Old Moss,

Fell free to shoot me a private e-mail and I'll be sure you get started right. I'm also at Elmendorf as Dave says...and I'm making it my mission to make darned nearly every goofy cheechako mistake there is so you won't have to.

Matt
 

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:grin: Thanks, you have been a real big help just by making me feel welcome. Nice to meet you Matt, my email here in Germany is jblawsonis JerryLet me start with a few sarter questions:
1. I've heared that a pair of rugged hip or chest waders are a must. True or not?
2. I'm not the wealthest hunter so except for a rare hard saved for guided hunt every few years I usually like to hunt on my own or with a few good friends. I've found this a lot more enjoyable any way. I'm really not big on Trophys (I wont turn one down if I get the chance) but really just like to hunt (meat and hide). I figure my favorite hunting is for predators, second will be for moose and black bear a chance for bird hunting is always great. If I get a chance to go for Brown bear would be great but I know that it is one of the harder permits to get. Im not young and athletic enough to go for sheep or goat. I'm trying to keep my expectations realalistic. Think a few of these hunts might be possible?
3. I well have a 4x4 truck (no ATV or snowmobile yet). I'm not a road hunter but is there a chance for short weekend type hunting? I was told to really be able to hunt you have to get back and away from the roads and towns and that at least a 5-7 day hunt is the only way to go. I'm very willing to set-up a road side base camp and then hike a bit for a week or so, but Unkle Sam doesn't always cooperate with a lot of free time. What is the types of hunting I can expect for the species I listed and the area I'll be in? Can a hunter with only a 4x4 truck and two legs hunt in alaska?
4. Snow shoes Yes / No ? I'm really debating on getting another canoe sold our old one. Would this be another option or is the water to big for just a canoe? How hard is it to get a bush pilot to fly one into good hunting and pick you up again? (cost?)
5. The state law for not wasting any of the animal harvested is no problem, that was taught to me by my grandfather and father ever since I can remember.
:wink: Well I'm being long winded enough sorry for the long questions. Thanks again for the help.
 

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Old Moss,

:D I just sent you a private e-mail. I included my home/work e-mail address too in case you need any work/base/PCS related questions.

I'll let the sourdoughs the tell you about the hunting...I'm more into hiking around with a gun :wink:
 

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1. I've heared that a pair of rugged hip or chest waders are a must. True or not? Yes, not neoprene though. Regular Lacrosse will work, I have hip waders and use them moose hunting, duck, and getting in/out of the boat.

2. I'm not the wealthest hunter so except for a rare hard saved for guided hunt every few years I usually like to hunt on my own or with a few good friends. I've found this a lot more enjoyable any way. I'm really not big on Trophys (I wont turn one down if I get the chance) but really just like to hunt (meat and hide). I figure my favorite hunting is for predators, second will be for moose and black bear a chance for bird hunting is always great. If I get a chance to go for Brown bear would be great but I know that it is one of the harder permits to get. Im not young and athletic enough to go for sheep or goat. I'm trying to keep my expectations realalistic. Think a few of these hunts might be possible? Yes they are. Lots of ptargiman and ducks. You will have to wait one year for grizz/goats as you will need a guide otherwise. Depending on where you hunt grizz a permit may not be needed.
3. I well have a 4x4 truck (no ATV or snowmobile yet). I'm not a road hunter but is there a chance for short weekend type hunting? I was told to really be able to hunt you have to get back and away from the roads and towns and that at least a 5-7 day hunt is the only way to go. I'm very willing to set-up a road side base camp and then hike a bit for a week or so, but Unkle Sam doesn't always cooperate with a lot of free time. What is the types of hunting I can expect for the species I listed and the area I'll be in?Can a hunter with only a 4x4 truck and two legs hunt in alaska?You can hunt the road system but a guided hunt to remote areas may be more productive. You really need to meet other hunters and have them familurize you with the areas and such. It is a great help as is forums like this.
4. Snow shoes Yes / No ? I'm really debating on getting another canoe sold our old one. Would this be another optionYes or is the water to big for just a canoe? How hard is it to get a bush pilot to fly one into good hunting and pick you up again? (cost?) http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/
5. The state law for not wasting any of the animal harvested is no problem, that was taught to me by my grandfather and father ever since I can remember. You have to be very careful here, this law can you get you into trouble even if you try your best. Well I'm being long winded enough sorry for the long questions. Long winded is good. We have a lot of mountains here! :) Thanks again for the help.
 

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To Bearhuntr

Bearhuntr, Guten tack unt Waidmansheil Das Gute. Was ist los? Now that's about the extint of my German without getting the dictionary out. All i can say is the Jaegers here in Germany are super. I have learned a great deal from them. Hunting Sau and Reh is a lot of fun. I've hunted quit a bit for Fuchs and am very anxious to hunt for fox and wolf in Alaska. Thanks again all
 

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The opportunities in the state are great if you have the time and money to access them. I think the biggest shock to hunters coming up is that being a resident basically just saves you the non res tags and a plain ticket, but other then that, it can be very exspensive to get to productive areas for big game.

A 4X4 is good for use on the roads, as many recognized roads can be rough gravel affairs. There aren't many options for 4 wheeling in the state, at least that I know of. Road hunting isn't a bad thing, as it is the common access for most hunters, and you can get as far back in as you can hike. There are quite a few areas you can get back into with a canoe. If you bow hunt, you can hunt caribou off the road in the Brooks Range, but it is a very long drive from Anchorage.

Ankle fit hippers are a must, snowsnoes have limited, though make for good excercise when the skiing conditions are poor. A canoe is nice to have, do a web search for Kenai National Wildlife Refuge, a great place to visit a few hours from Elmendorf. There are also many lakes in and around Anchorage with Rainbow trout and Northern Pike, with long summer days, you can get a suprising amount of fishing in on weekdays.
 

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Here's a link you might find helpful

For a LOT of info about hunting and fishing in Alaska try the Department of Fish and Game's web site - there's a ton of info.

http://www.state.ak.us/adfg/adfghome.htm
 

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A few new questions

Thanks everyone, been a big help. Dand thanks that is a good web site I've gotten a lot info from there. So hunting can be tough where ever you go, wouldn't be hunting if it weren't. So how about the next question.

1. Do I have to worry about private property a lot or is there enough State / Federal land to wonder around on. I'm also very partial to just having some where to get out and away, do a little hiking / fishing / plinking / hunting if the game is presents it's self (legally and in season of course). (I'm very careful about getting lost, been up on the mountain after dark spent a night or two that wasn't part of the plan. Not what I call fun.) My kids and I do love to do imprompt to camping though, love to just grab a couple of tarps and sleeping bags and head out just for over night or for a weekend.
2. Are shooting ranges (public types) available in the area? I love to shoot, for fun and competatively, but I prefer to shoot in not so public of an area like shooting ranges. Is Alaska very restrictive about shooting on open public land? I know when I was in Idaho and Calif. There were old gravel pits or rock quarries where shooting was very safe but far cheaper and far less crowded. (I'm very safe when I shoot) I know that the State police can be helpful with info on safe and legal places to shoot (if the are pro-gun).
3. For big game I understand that it may take a little work on getting to where the game is at, but what about varmint / predator hunting? I've kept cabin fever and those pesky hunting withdrawl grimlins at bay by getting out and giving the smaller critters a run for their money. By chance is that predator hunting a little easier and maybe closer to home a proposition? and some one mentioned upland birds / ducks?
4. I hunt and fish by the rules period!!! But I ain't no young'n either. Are the fish and Game boys friend or foe. I'm only out to make friends and if I need to watch my Ps & Qs extra close, need to just introduce my self and make it known I'm a good guy and not any trouble, or just plain steer clear of them I'll do it.
Thanks again Gents, talk with ya'll later
 

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1. Do I have to worry about private property..........there is enough land that you should not have to worry. You need to be more respectful of native lands and native rights. Some of their land is marked and some not. If in doubt..ask someone. Much of the Fed. is marked along the roadway.

I camp everywhere. Just pull off and set up and have never been bothered by anyone. That is one great thing about AK, you can camp about anywhere.

A GPS is helpful, more so than a compass I think. Get a simple one like a Garmin Erek.

2. Are shooting ranges (public types) available in the area? There are shooting areas around...... Rabbit Creek in Anchorage, Valdez has a range, in and outdoor, Fairbanks.... Remember to police yourself if in other areas as teat will probably get you in more trouble faster.

3. Yes ducks and coyotes and wolfs oh my.

4. I hunt and fish by the rules period!!! But I ain't no young'n either. Are the fish and Game boys friend or foe........ I hate to say it but if your hunting keep yourself legal. I have only had bad experiences witht the game people even though I was doing everthing within what I thought was the rules. I was in a native village once and left some meet on a caribou as the elders in the village had instructed me to do as a native custom. The Fed's don't believe in native customs and I had to remove more meat by their standards. There are horror stories of guys that have tried to follow the laws up here to the best of their ability and have been screwed. "We need to get the Fed's out of the state."

Anything else? I would have made this simpler to read but I only have a Mac at work and it is a pile of moose dung.
 

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Daveinthebush, You know I have heard, if you take one of those Mac computers and stuff them full of old donuts and fish heads, set them out on the side of a mountain they actually make a pretty good bear bait set. :-D You know that was another question I was going to ask, I have the utmost respect for the native alsakan culture and really want to learn and follow customs as much as possible. Any tips or recommendations would be appreciated. Are non-natives ever welcome on their Land?
Being respectfull of the land "period" is very important to me and my family. Any time we camp, hunt, or fish we try to leave the area better than we found it!!! I will obey the law religously, but steer clear of the feds.
Matt sounds like a good deal at Fort Rich. for shooting.

I really can't wait to get up there :) You Gents have sure been friendly, I hope some day I can repay the kindness.

I'm going to get a GPS as soon as I pick up a Laser range finder.

Ducks, coyotes, and wolfs oh my. There ain't none of them butt ugly fly'in monkey's up there I hope. :)
This might get a debat going. I owen (for big game) a 338 wm, a 300 wm, and a 9.3x62mm I keep telling myself I don't need anything bigger, but man do I want a 375H&H. I agree 30-06 would be plenty except for big bears, but I got addicted to weapons along time ago. Are guns & ammo prices high up there?

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You can buy guns at the BX or downtown (no tax!!!).

If you're thinking FG O' housing on base let me know via e-mail to work and I'll send you some digital photos.
 

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If you intend to access lands owned by the Native Corporations, some require you to get a permit. There are some reserved easements that connect public land across native land to public land. The state's fish and game website has a page on there that gives contacts for the native corporations. There's quite a bit of info on the web about where their lands are, but you can get good maps from the state of Alaska or Bureau of Land Management that shows where those lands are located. Some allow hunting and some don't. Do not get caught trespassing or hunting without permission, they take it very seriously, as well they should.

Think about it this way though. There is about 370 million acres in Alaska (more than twice the size of Texas), we don't know for sure because a lot of it has never been surveyed. About 67% is under control of the Federal Government (National Parks, Preserves, Refugees, National Forests, etc...). About 20% is owned by the State of Alaska or roughly about 105 million acres. Roughly 12% are Native Corp lands (about 44 million acres). The other 1% (or just less than) is available for private ownership. Now, excluding the parks and unhuntable federal lands and Native corp lands, that still leaves something 330,000 square MILES of huntable public land. Finding a place to hunt without trespassing is pretty easy provided you do a little homework.
 

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Calibers

Like I said before, great site and friendly people. True Alaskans will never let you down.

Mention calibers in AK and you are going to get a lot of replys. The .338 is a standard up here as well as the .375. The 9.62 is a good European round that will also work . The .300 Winny should be great for caribou, moose and deer. Might sound like overkill for deer, but what do you want leaning agains the tree behind you with your hands all bloody and something brown is around. Many deer hunters overgun just in case. Any but the .300 will do unless you really piss something big and brown off up close and personnal.

Handguns???? Conterversal topic. My own feeling is that I feel more secure having something that is constantly on my hip instead of leaning against a tree. Actually for bear protection I like an 870 with 2, 3" mag steel BB's followed by three 3" 1 3/8 oz. 12 gauge Brenneke slugs.

There are a lot of old posts in the Alaska Forum and Dabigmoose listed most of the native corporations somewhere there. I have been in three native villages and have never had a problem. The people were great and if you respect them, their land and traditions you should never have a problem.
 

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Old Moss, what Matt says about tax free guns here is good info but do not think that the BX has the best price. Keep an eye on Fred Meyers, Walmart and the rest of the "Big Stores". If you are like me when I got here three plus years ago I ran into a guy that works part time at Fred Meyers (a lot of military do). Well seeing the employees get a 10% discount all the time and double discount once a quarter I found a deal on a gun and had an employee buy it for me. Bottom line is I picked up a Ruger M77 Stainless and synthetic 338 w/mounts for under $300. They even threw in a gun lock.
What Daveinthe bush says about "Real Alaskans" will prove to be true in most evey case. There is lots to learn from them and most are willing to share (as you see here). They will not divulge their honey holes but can point you in the right direction to start your homework. They make great sounding boards for a sanity check because most have done (or know someone who has done) anything worth doing here.

PS I can't call myself a real Alaskan so I WILL show you my honey holes. Don't have many but all you need is a good ATV, well sighted rifle and a sharp knife. By the way, I'm ARMY but don't hold that against me.
 

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Thanks again folks, I new Alaska was where I belonged. You'll have been great.

Bear, I have been at Landstuhl Germany working side by side with Army, don't ever apologize, Hooah!

Finding my own Honey holes is half the fun - :grin: But I will take all the advice and help I can get.

Daveinthebush - I don't ever go out in the wilds anywhere without something on my hip.
Speaking of such things I think I've come up with maybe one of the best carry guns for tramp'in in the bush. Ruger Super Redhawk 480 / 454, with a 4" bbl, or a Ruger Super Blackhawk (Hunter model) with a 4 3/4" model 5 shot 480. I lean twords the Super Blackhawk. Wish Ruger would make one.

Thanks again! :D
 
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