They go but 14-30 most being around 20.Keep the loop about the same 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 .You wont neck catch'm all.But you'll hav'm.Thats my thery.Some dont agree with me. But heck I'm skin'n and gona sell'm.If the buyer trys to down grade for the snare mark IF ANY he dont get'm.Thats it !!!!!!
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