Brett: Your supposed to be setting an example here. We have been peaceful and coexisting for weeks now you there you go attacking me PERSONALLY.Brett said:Notice that .... when you are not posting 'controversial stuff' there are fewer arguments and name calling?
Have your 'controversial' post helped anyone to find salvation?
Have they helped anyone to grow spiritually?
Do you post here so that you might learn more about God or the Bible?
Do you post here to help others in these areas?
Or do you post here to satisfy your own ego?
This topic would seem to indicate the later. :?
What PM????Brett said:Get over yourself Jeager. These are all valid questions that I once asked of you in a PM. My PM went unanswered so I thought I would ask again, in the open. Do you have something to hide? An alterer motive perhaps? Maybe you are just another troll looking to stir up trouble? GB can do as he likes, it's his forum and his web site.
You are entitled to your opinions.Brett said:Notice that .... when you are not posting 'controversial stuff' there are fewer arguments and name calling?
No I have NOT noticed less name calling or personal attacks.
Have your 'controversial' post helped anyone to find salvation?
How knows? Certainly not you or I.
Have they helped anyone to grow spiritually?
I would certainly think so. My posts, studies and what I learn form others here have helped me grow spiritually.
Do you post here so that you might learn more about God or the Bible?
Absolutely!
Do you post here to help others in these areas?
Sure do. Controversey spawns thought. For some that is.
Or do you post here to satisfy your own ego?
Brett. EVERYONE has an ego. To NOT have an ego is to deny part of our human condition. An ego is God given and therefor good.
Egocentricities can be another issue altogther.
This topic would seem to indicate the later. :?
Sad huh?Graybeard said:Ah how nice it is to see the Christian love and charity flow so freely among our fellow man and fellow Christian. :lol:
Ego is all about self, self centeredness, self gratification, placing ones self first, I, me, mine.jeager106 said:Brett. EVERYONE has an ego. To NOT have an ego is to deny part of our human condition. An ego is God given and therefor good.
Egocentricities can be another issue altogther.[/i]
It would be nice wouldn't it. Unfortunately it is not always the case. We all know of children stricken with cancer as well as old folks in there 70's and 80's who smoked, drank and eat 'all the wrong stuff' their entire lives who are healthy as horses. Doesn't make any sense, but it's the truth.Leverdude said:My opinion, & I'm not arguing or saying I'm right or wrong or anyone else is right or wrong, but my opinion is the truth should make sense.
One of the reasons there are so many Christian denominations (or religions for that mater) is that most everyone is seeking "their own truth" when we should be seeking God's truth. How do you know when you are in a church that is teaching God's truth? Read, study and meditate on the scriptures. If what the church leaders are teaching does not jive with what the Bible says they are not teaching the truth. Simple as that.Leverdude said:Maybe one day I'll find me a Church that teaches in a way I find truthfull but even if I do, in the back of my mind will be the knowledge that theres alot of other Churches preaching what they think is the truth & even tho they get their truth from the same book I do their truth will be different. If theres a bunch of different truths then that must mean that people are interpreting what they read in different ways. So which is the truth? Which should I believe? Why is it wrong to seek my own truth instead of accepting someone elses?
Groucho Marx used a routine where he would ask a gentleman something to the affect "Just answer me with Yes or No have you stopped beating your wife?" Obviously Groucho didn't care what the answer was he was seeking a reaction from the audience.Leverdude said:Alot of guys here see Jaeger as contriversal it seems & maybe even a trouble maker. I dissagree & I think he's seeking answers, enlightenment if you will.
Another fallacy that I often hear repeated. Christ taught that you should not allow money or posessions to rule your life and come between you and God. Christ did teach that we are to take care of the helpless (those who can not care for themselves) however he did not advocate that we distribute our wealth equally amongst everyone. In fact he was very much apposed to a free ride for anyone.Leverdude said:Jesus & his Apostles taught that a true follower of our Lord ought to sell all their stuff & give the money at the feet of the Apostles so all would have what they need & none should go without.
Ok, it wasn't Jesus himself. I found the passage I was refering to in Acts4:32 - 37 & 5- 5:10Leverdude wrote:
Jesus & his Apostles taught that a true follower of our Lord ought to sell all their stuff & give the money at the feet of the Apostles so all would have what they need & none should go without.
Another fallacy that I often hear repeated. Christ taught that you should not allow money or posessions to rule your life and come between you and God. Christ did teach that we are to take care of the helpless (those who can not care for themselves) however he did not advocate that we distribute our wealth equally amongst everyone. In fact he was very much apposed to a free ride for anyone.
Thanks, I apreciate your thoughts. :grin: I tend to seek the truth in the Bible. As you know I'm new hereabouts & wish to learn from anyone who has Faith & is willing to share it.There is nothing wrong with seeking the truth, just be careful where you seek it.
The Bible is the best place to seek the truth. Sometimes it is helpful if someone can point us to the right page. I thank the Lord that He has sent many people to point me to the right page over the years. :wink:Leverdude wrote:
Jesus & his Apostles taught that a true follower of our Lord ought to sell all their stuff & give the money at the feet of the Apostles so all would have what they need & none should go without.
Another fallacy that I often hear repeated. Christ taught that you should not allow money or posessions to rule your life and come between you and God. Christ did teach that we are to take care of the helpless (those who can not care for themselves) however he did not advocate that we distribute our wealth equally amongst everyone. In fact he was very much apposed to a free ride for anyone.
I look at it this way, all that we have comes from God and therefor is God's. I may have worked to earn a wage but who gave me the ability to perform the work? God. Think of your possessions as being 'on loan' from God. He has the right to reclame it at any time.Leverdude said:Ok, it wasn't Jesus himself. I found the passage I was refering to in Acts4:32 - 37 & 5- 5:10
4:32 All the believers were one in heart & mind. No one claimed that any of his posessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.
A collection was taken up to meet specific needs as they arose. As I stated earlier God want's us to care for the helpless. God's Word also admonishes those who are capable of working but are lazy and refuse to work. "If a man will not work, he shall not eat". (2 Thessalonians 3:10)Leverdude said:4:34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 4:35 & put it at the Apostles feet & it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
4:36 Joseph, A levite from Cyprus, whome the Apostles called Barnabas (Which means son of encouragement), 4:37 sold a field he owned & brought the money & put it at the Apostles feet.
The sin that they were punished for was lying to God not keeping some of the money from the sale of the property.Leverdude said:Then in the next paragraph they deal with what happens to someone lieing to God by keeping some money for himself.
Acts-5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Saphira, also sold a piece of property. 5:2 With his wifes full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest & put it at the Apostles feet.
5:3 Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and kept for yourself some of the money you recieved for the land? 5:4 Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God." 5:5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down & died.
Later on his wife came by & lied to Peter as well with the same results.
How then do you explain the great wealth God allowed Abram, King David, King Solomon and many others who found favor with God yet still retained their possessions?Leverdude said:So, if one reads this literally & believes theres not much question but that its good & pleasing to God to sell your properties & turn them over to the Church.
Please consider what I have written. As with everything, test it carefully using the scriptures as your litmus. See if what I have told you does not make sense.Leverdude said:I'll be spending time trying to see if Jesus himself preached this doctrine or if its something the Apostles came up with themselves.
quote="Leverdude"]Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts. :grin: I tend to seek the truth in the Bible. As you know I'm new hereabouts & wish to learn from anyone who has Faith & is willing to share it.![]()
The Bible is the best place to seek the truth. Sometimes it is helpful if someone can point us to the right page. I thank the Lord that He has sent many people to point me to the right page over the years. Wink
Correct me if I'm wrong but the wealth afforded the Kings in the OT hasn't happened in the Christian era.How then do you explain the great wealth God allowed Abram, King David, King Solomon and many others who found favor with God yet still retained their possessions?