Last evening I was out muzzleloading at a farm I hunt. About 6:15 I shot a decent 6 point buck with the OE. I was using 85 grains of ffg black powder and a 200 grain shockwave. The shot was about 50 yards or so. He ran about 20 yards and stood there as if not even hit. I realoaded as I watched him. By the time I seated the sabot he fell over. Meat for the freezer and all week off to get another. I was very happy with the results from this combo. I took out both lungs and the top of his heart. The exit hole was quarter sized.