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It seems I've got back into shooting open sights after thinking my eyes had gone to far south for them 20 odd years ago. As I remember, it had something to do with me not qualifying with as high a score as I always did on annual qualification the last few years I policed. Then again it might have been because we switched over to semi-autos from the S&W M10 I carried for so many years... I dunno. :-\

Anyway, thanks to GBO I seem to be shooting more rifles (and handguns) with open sights then I have in many years. I killed a nice 6 pt last week with my M73, but he was VERY close and I had missed a 4 pt at 30 yards with that rifle a few days before.

I figured out that part of the problem was that 'scopes had made me sloppy in my game shooting technique and hopefully I've have corrected that failing. But my eyes are another matter.

My M73 and 336 have tang sights and my M94 has a peep sight with a fire sight front sight. The M73 has a large ivory bead in front. The 336 has the issue front sight.

I lost sight of the 336's standard bead against a deer a few years ago; the 73's ivory bead stood out plainly in dim light against the 6 pt. last week; I haven't had a chance to evaluate the firesight yet.

The insert disk on the 73's tang sight seemed to restrict my the field of view and make things "fuzzy." After missing the 4 pt I removed the disk which made the tang sight more of a ghost ring. That seemed to work well for me.

I just ordered a M92 in 44 mag with a 24 inch barrel. I'd like to leave the iron sights on it, but may have to go to a tang sight on that rifle also.

This is directed at Dee since I've read of his afinity for, and ability with, his M94 and I'm sure he has run into my situation in his teaching years. But anyone else can feel free to chime in also!

I think we're about the same age. I wear 1.25 power reading glasses for close work. Aside from practice, do you have any suggestions for maximiseing my accuracy potential shooting opensights? Both for me and my equipment; the rifle's sights that is! ;)
 

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If you wear safety glasses ( you should) then check out the merit attachment that goes on the glasses . It allows you to see the sights better as it closes down your field of view . I shot with a guy who used it and it helped him alot .
 

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I started shooting again after I retired. I am 66 + ( older than dirt acording to my grand kids). I also use reading glasses. This past year I ended up with 4 lever actions. I put the Williams 5D sight on 3 of them, the Puma will get a Skinner I think. I am good to go for deer up to 100 yards. I will try to keep my shooting closer than that tho. I also have a CZ 452 with a peep blade in the factory site that amazed me when I first used it. It is a lot of fun to show up the younger guys by doing it the old school way.


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Texas hog gun, Winchester 94 Trapper 357mag Buffalo Bore with a ghost ring a front firesight. Practice a little and the gun will seem to shoot itself. My eyes are in thier mid 60s and it works better than a scope for me. It is also a very fast way to shoulder and shoot.

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i'm shooting two rifles with iron sights,both peep sights.....i personally shoot these sights much better when i use a post-type front sight. It's much easier for me to index elevation with a flat-topped front sight......i pick the spot i want to hit and put the top of the front sight right where i want it to go and it works for me(i wear the reading glasses too)
 

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Good stuff here guys!

I gather from those of you who have been shooting open sights that those of us getting a little long in the tooth can still shoot respectably if we carefully select open sights that fit our particular need.

Seems like peep sights - maybe ghost ring - and hi vis blade front sights are favored. But I tell ya, that big white bead sure stood out in the dim light 10 minutes before the end of legal shooting time!

Maybe I better forget the idea of using the iron sight on the 92 and have a tang put on... :-\
 

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I've got peeps on a couple and Firesights on my 16" 454 Puma that seems to line up great when I shoulder it. I've heard so much good about Skinner sights, I'm gonna have to try them. Want to replace the safety on the bolt of the 92's that have 'em, that's what John Browning put the half-cock notch on it for! ;) DP
 

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I put a Skinner front blade and a Lyman Tang on my 24" barreled .357 Rossi and hunt with the aperture removed - the rifle is amazing , running shots etc are no problem - I could not believe the differance it made to my shooting hunting or on the target range .

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AtlLaw, you have probably read a dozen times that I have been shooting the same Model 94 Winchester 3030 for 51 years, and that my father had bought it new before giving it to me.
About 38 years ago I learned that an aperture sight was nothing more than an un-magnified scope, and some outstanding groups could be shot with one. Thus, I put a Lyman 66 aperture sight on my 51 year old Model 94 about 38 years ago. I also have a Model 92 Winchester clone in 357 magnum, that I have an IDENTICAL Lyman aperture sight on.
I also replaced the front bead sights on both, with a off white striped post front sight. Both are sighted in the same, and with the 3030 I can consistantly hit the bottoms of water filled 1 gallon milk jugs at 280 yards. That's about a 7" square your lookin at with the jug laying on it's side. With the 357 mag, I last year killed a coyote at 160 yards with one shot fired, and thru the shoulder.
Over the last 59 years due to my past profession I have had the opportunity to own and shoot about everything there is out there, but the lever guns with the aperture sights put the huntin back in the hunt, and your skill level in all areas sharpens back up, because you have to ADAPT AND OVER COME CONDITIONS, BOTH "PHYISCALLY" AND TERRAIN WISE.
I have a tricked out M4 with a scope and backup sights, but it sits on the bench MOST OF THE TIME. The 357 mag get by far the most carry time, even if it never gets out of the jeep.
 

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AtlLaw said:
Seems like peep sights - maybe ghost ring - and hi vis blade front sights are favored. But I tell ya, that big white bead sure stood out in the dim light 10 minutes before the end of legal shooting time!
You've got it bud. Those plastic fantastic sights work real well, are often TOO bright, when you don't really need any help, but for very low light conditions they just fade away. Under those conditions you can't beat a big white bead up front and a large aperture, at least 1/8" at the rear.
 

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It sure does seem like we have a consensus of opinion here! Tang or peep sight combined with a high vis front post. That's good enough for me! ;D I'm going to equip my open sight rifles accordingly. ;)

Hummmm :-\ I may replace the fire sight on the 94... always did wonder what you did when there was no more fire...

But that big white dot is cool! ;D :-\ sure does cover a lot of the target though... :( maybe the post with a white insert will work better... :-\

Oh well! ;D another experiment! :D
 

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You got something there with the white bead in bad light. When I ordered the glow dot for my 94, the gunsmith said ..(you don't wanna know what he said). Got a aftermarket sight hood and cut a slot in the top of it to let in light -- didn't work. Guess that's why we see so many rifles with the hoods missing. Think I'll get a white ramp or post, press it in and see how it looks compared to the green glow dot.
Dee,..... I only been around here for about a year.... and so far, you never fail to make damn good sense.
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Thanks Dirt Bag, I paid dearly for that good sense.
AtlLaw, the off white narrow stripe up the middle of the front post sight is the best of both worlds. Good light, the sight acts as a normal post, with the luxury of that thin off white stripe running the bottom to top of the post. With that stripe you can draw a very fine bead on your target. It is dead center of the post, and shows up in low light also.
 

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Dee said:
the off white narrow stripe up the middle of the front post sight is the best of both worlds.
It sure sounds like it Dee. And I know what I'm gonna put on the 92! ;D
 

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Old eyes,open sights? giterdone. I.m 54,and my trend has been to acumulate rilfle and putting Lyman receiver sights on all of them that I can(Handis excluded) Just make sure to mount a good front sight with some light color on the bacside llike Ivory,to make the front sight stand out. I also picked up a Merit adjustible diopter for the range. You would be amazed how well you can shoot with these.
 

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I thought I was too old to shoot irons for many years. This summer I decided I would go back to shooting my S&W revolvers just for fun. Lo and behold, I shoot those .38 Specials much better than expected. I'm not the pistol shot I was in the early 70s but I'm good enough to have fun at the range. Others have mentioned that scopes can foster lazy shooting habits. I suspect that is true to a good degree. I also suspect that practice is much more important than perfect vision.

As a result I have gone back to iron sights on my three Marlins. I have scopes on my bolt actions for serious hunting. So why not shoot the Marlins for fun?!

Now that hunting is over for 2009 my winter project is to get back on the loading bench for my 30-30, 35 Rem., and 444. I have gold bead front sights but will probably try a Skinner post one of them just to compare.

Who knows? I might surprise myself like did with the Smiths. ;D
 
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