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Perhaps the Chicoms don't have to take us over militarily..is it possible that certain politicians may be willing to sell America to them ..cheaply..

www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-donors19oct19,0,4231217.story?coll=la-home-center

Wasn't it during the last Clinton adfministration that the chinese bought land at both ends of the Panama canal and tried to buy much of Long Beach ca. ?

...And wasn't it during the same administration that they were given "most favored nation" trading status ? Possibly it was during that same period that the Chicoms got some of our missle guidance technology ...free of charge..
 

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Vote Hillary 08, the Chicoms candidate! Methinks there is some Chinese Government money being funneled into this EVIL harlots capaign. I think there needs to be a major investigation into this!
 

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One president presides over the mass exodus of business out of the country, and dissolution of borders and sovereignty. The other candidate for the office wanabee president gets a kickback from the enemy.
All corruption of spirit it seems.

..TM7
 

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Perhaps it is a time to quit looking backward and instead, start looking forward toward what constitutes the candidates we have to choose from during the next election cycle.

Regardless of what they claim during campaigns, all we can go on is experience..

Have they a history of backing the US in every controversy ? Have they always been patriotic Americans ? Are they likely to appoint Constitutional judges..or liberal / activist judges ?
Do they have a history of cutting taxes ? Does their past confirm the idea that they will actually FIGHT terrorists ?

..And last but not least !...

Do we want someone whose past has shown that they will not likely not sell us out,

....or do we settle for someone whose past indicates that they definitely WILL sell us out ?
 

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Great post Ironglow, but where do we find an individual that fits the mold? I am near 70 years old, and I can't remember the last President that didn't talk out of both sides of his mouth. They all say one thing while campaigning, and another after the election.

I hate to say it, but this once Great Nation is in deep shasta, if changes are not made in the very near future I don't think America, as we know it, will exist in 50years. We need to take a serious look at foreign policy, immigration, border control, take action to prevent American jobs from going overseas, eliminate the need to depend on foreign goods, and make a concerted effort to find an energy source to reduce the dependence on oil. That is a lot to place on someones plate, but if we don't alter policy in these areas America will be history.
 

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Rockbilly, I am 70 years old (just turned) and I agree with you completely. Every presidential election the choice just gets worse. This seems to trickle down all the way to the county and city level. I don't see much hope for us in the long run.
 

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Some of you boys have a few years on me, but as I see it, every election is about the same. We're faced with a Dumbycrat who will take us to socialism, or worse as fast as they can and a Republican who will be a couple of steps behind the Dumbycrat. I don't blame the politicians, I blame the people. We usually get what we demand and there is always a plethora of politicians of both stripes who are willing to give us what we want. "We", meaning the American people in general and right now I fear that "we" want a government that will nanny us from the cradle to the grave.
 

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Rockbilly, oldnslow;

Welcome to the " Codger's corner "..I turned 71 in Sept...LOL

Yes; most pres candidates have been cagey..although I consider R Reagan to be a cut above any of the others in the last fifty years .

In fact; although not perfect, I consider RR to have been the best f the 20th century, although TR was close.

Yesterday was a busy day for me (all charity work), from 4PM till 10:30 PM worked at our legion post gun raffle fund raising event.

Must have been about 250-300 people there. Funds were for 2 little boys (about six & eight) that have been severely handicapped since birth

and are wearing tracheotomy devices permanently, never having tasted any food or drink or spoken a word.

It did my old heart good to see 2 winners become double winners, by turning their newly won rifles back to be auctioned off on the spot, for he boys.

That 700 BDL and Marlin 336 brought nearly another $1000..

...I doubt there was a liberal in the place, so we really enjoyed ourselves !


The morning I spent helping my son in his ministry with youth, working on a repairs day at the Buffalo (NY) Historical Museum grounds...

I worked on an old iron gate at the site of the Pan-American Exposition, within yards of where Pres McKinley was assassinated, over a hundred years ago.

I could not but wonder what has happened to our great nation since then !



Yes there were scandals many years ago, Tea Pot dome, the Black Sox and Tammany Hall..but noting like the degradation we see today..


Those examples of degradation were perpetrated by greedy, selfish individuals...and were quite rare..



Question for the "codger's corner"..When you were a youngster, how many couples in your neighborhood had been divorced, were "shacking up" or one or the other were "abandoned" ?

Did you ever dream (or have a nightmare) that "shacking up" would become a way of life,... homosexuality would ever be considered "another choice" ...or that 4 letter words would routinely roll of teenager's tongues in public ?..That people would in general, act as crudely as many do today, that schools would refuse to enforce the common standards of decency, or indeed that they would be encouraging sin, disease and problems by handing out so-called contraceptives ?

I submit that this coarsening of our social fabric has come about only since the "sickly sixties"..that values of decency were generally held by all but a few of the uncouth, which have always been with us in very small numbers. Now however, it seems this degradation has begun to permeate almost all of our culture; what a shame !

Although I hesitate to be pessimistic, I must admit that I have to agree with Rockbilly . If this nation does not make some major changes in direction soon, we are doomed as a nation !
Generally speaking; just when we are in greatest need of turning toward God...we are turning away ! HE will not be slighted..

Much of the rot in society today we cannot blame on politicians, power brokers or even Hollyweird...much of this garbage goes on because we the public, allow it to;..by
patronizing movies, businesses or handing "party line" votes to radical liberals who would like to see God...dead ..

Well, I have news for their smug, smarmy, psuedo-intellectualism....

GOD WON'T 'ROLL OVER' FOR THEM ! ....NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL !

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I totaly agree with you Ironglow. Our nations moral problem was preceded by the spiritual problem of rejecting GOD.
Regards, Mark
 
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